20151211

Iniquity Of The Fathers Upon The Sons To The Third And Fourth Generation

God says you and YOU ALONE are responsible for your sins You don’t “pay interest” so to speak for the backlog of the sins of your forbears!

Iniquity Of The Fathers Upon The Sons To The Third And Fourth Generation

Published 20151211 -:- Revised 20251014P
NB: I am dyslexic so please bear with me. Even if I did a ‘spell cheque it dose’ not help me with corrections.


Introduction
Have you ever been to a healing or prayer meeting? If so, have you ever noticed that in the course of the preaching leading up to the altar call, the speaker might add in some comment about, “the curses of the fathers to the third and fourth generation”. Then heaps of people will come out to the front for prayer, because they feel guilty for what their parents, grandparents or great grand parents have done in the past! That is totally unscriptural! And God would love to set you free of that “guilt trip” if you would just give Him and His WORD the opportunity and listen, 

Aim
My aim is to shed the light of the WORD of God on the erroneous teaching about, “the curses to the third and forth generation”.

Reason
The WORD of God clearly states that, you and you alone, are responsible for your sins only. You do not have to “pay interest” so to speak for the backlog of the sins of your forbears. Anything taught otherwise is lying teaching! It is nothing more than a stage show, divisive move to boost altar call numbers, and give the appearance that, “the guest speaker can really get them in!” The truth about this lying teaching should be shouted from the rooftops!

References & Equipment
MKJ       =Bible references are from the Modern King James Bible unless noted otherwise.
CN          =e-Sword Commentary Notes by “NAME” on Bible Ref “BOOK CH: verse” e.g. [ref CN Clark on Dan 7:7].
What Scriptures is This Teaching Based On?
There are four scriptures that give reference to this issue of generational curses. Exodus 20:5, Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18 and Deuteronomy 5:9. As usual it is always best to study scriptures on the basis of ‘first mention’. Basically, the first time God mentions a particular subject, He spells out the full story. Any following reference is often abbreviated and the inference is that God is just giving us a reminder.  It’s like when we tell our kids, “Put your toys away”. You don’t need to go into detail adding the rest of the house rule comments like,
“Or they will get lost in the grass and could get rained on, and if I don’t see them when I am mowing the lawn they will get broken!”

So, let's check these scriptures in order and see if there are any differences and underline the difference.

Exo 20:5 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me,
Exo 34:7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the sons, and on the sons of sons, to the third and to the fourth generation.

Num 14:18 Jehovah is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation.
Deu 5:9 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me,

Of those who hate Me”… well that’s an interesting comment that is often conveniently left out when people make reference to generational curses. Let me ask you a simple question. “Do you HATE GOD?” NO! Then obviously that scripture does not apply to you. It sort of comes under the category of knowing your relationship with God through Christ Jesus. Rom 13:12 “…let us put on the armour of light.” And Eph 6:11 “Put on the whole armour of God so that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” If you let your guard down and believe a lie from Satan that you are under generational curses, then he gets in under your armour and has a field day with self worth. Suddenly you are on a downward spiralling guilt trip.
Debunking Generational Curses
For years, whenever I heard preaching about the “generational curses” I often felt like I would get an agree whiteness in my spirit. When we got home from church my wife would tell me, “Drop it, it's just one of your pet hates, it’s not an important issue. GET Over It!” So, over the years ‘I got over it’ and I would say nothing. Until years later when one day we came home from church and my wife was all agitated about what was preached at church, and she asked me, “What was the scripture you had against curses to the third and fourth generation stuff?” To which I replied, “The fathers eat sour grapes and the children’s teeth are on edge”. “And it seems to debunk the whole idea of generational curses.” So we got motivated into a full Sunday afternoon study for some hours. And we found the following passages of great interest.

The first one in Ezekiel is quite lengthy! But when you consider God is telling Ezekiel that He is fed up with hearing that misleading proverb as well; then He tells Ezekiel in no uncertain terms what to do with that proverb! I will just quote it as is, it needs NO explanation. 
Ezekiel Chapter 18 (English Standard Version)
Eze 18:1 The word of the LORD came to me: v:2  "What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? v:3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. v:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Eze 18:5 "If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— v:6 if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbour’s wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, v:7 does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, v:8  does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, v:9 walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord GOD.

Eze 18:10 "If he fathers a son who is violent, a shedder of blood, who does any of these things v:11 (though he himself did none of these things), who even eats upon the mountains, defiles his neighbour’s wife, v:12 oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore the pledge, lifts up his eyes to the idols, commits abomination, v:13 lends at interest, and takes profit; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.

Eze 18:14 "Now suppose this man fathers a son who sees all the sins that his father has done; he sees, and does not do likewise: v:15 he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbour’s wife, v:16 does not oppress anyone, exacts no pledge, commits no robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, v:17 withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.

Eze 18:18 As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother, and did what is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity. v:19 Yet you say, 'Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?' When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. v:20 he soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Eze 18:21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. v:22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. v:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

Eze 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. v:25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? v:26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.

Eze 18:27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. v:28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Eze 18:29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? v:30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. v:31 Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel?

Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live." … End Quote

That as I said is quite a lengthy passage and I reckon that is quite clear-cut! God gave Ezekiel some classic examples of generational problems. These days we would hear these same things being raised as a good case for why a Christian is under a generational curse! Yet in this passage God is clearly saying that each soul is only responsible for their own actions. The sins of their forbears are of no importance. You yourself have made a decision for Christ and confessed Christ as your Lord and saviour. As Paul said in 1 Corinthians chapters 6 and 7, “You are bought with a price”. That is the blood of Christ paid for your sins IN FULL! You are a NEW CREATION! 

The only way you could see the fulfilment of generational curses is if each successive generation continues to reject God.
You Are A NEW CREATION
When my wife and I were doing the study on this topic, the Lord reminded us of numerous other scriptures. Passages that very clearly show, that when we invite Christ into our heart and soul, He virtually does a complete renovation within us. We are A NEW CREATION! Let's just quote them as we found them on the basis of “catch phrases”. I might add a short comment as to why I find each passage of significance.

James 5:15 “And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.”
Born Again
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.

1Pe 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living Word of God, and abiding forever.

1Co 1:30 (JUB) But of him ye are reborn in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
New Creation
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. v:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.

Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;

Eph 4:24 And you should put on the new man, who according to God was created in righteousness and true holiness.

2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. v:18 And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; v:19 whereas God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us. v:20 Then we are ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as God exhorting through us, we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. v:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Paul Spoke As If He Was A NEW MAN
This verse is very interesting. Remember Paul in Acts 9:1 “And Saul, still breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest v:2 and asked letters from him to Damascus to the synagogues; so that if he found any of the Way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.”

Then Paul later writes to the Corinthians and says this in 2Co 7:2 (KJV) “Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man”. How can Paul say, “he has wronged NO man?” The reason being is that on the road to Damascus Saul DIED, and he was renamed PAUL, and Paul was a NEW MAN in Christ! And Paul, being a New Man, had wronged no man!
Christ Paid It ALL
Isa 53:5  But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed. v:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

Zec_3:9  For behold! I will bring forth My Servant the Branch. For behold the stone that I have set before Joshua: On one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its engraving, says Jehovah of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. [ref CN Gill on Zec 3:9]

Your Sins Are Completely Gone From Record
Psa 103:11 For as the heavens are high above the earth, so is His mercy toward those who fear Him. v:12  As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Heb 10:15  The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us; for after He had said before, v:16  "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord; I will put My Laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them," v:17  also He adds, "their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."

Heb 8:10  "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. v:11 And they shall not each man teach his neighbour, and each man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest. v:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."
Conclusion
Ezekiel 18 is so clearly telling us that we are each an individual before God. You have only yourself to blame for your separation from the love of God. What ever your parents, grand parents, great grand parents or even great great grand parents have done in the past, it has no bearing on your relationship with God. When you accept Christ as your Lord and saviour your sins are ‘Wiped OFF the Slate’. It is as if you have never sinned! God in His word says "their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."

So if some visiting preacher reminds you of your wicked past! Or raises the possibility of unrepented sins of your forbears! Then tries to put you on a guilt trip, he has no right to do that! What’s more it is an insult to God; because you are virtually saying, “God I don’t believe that You have forgiven me of my sins!” The devil is putting you under his thump, and throwing lies at you! He has done that for thousands of years.

You are a New Creation, a joint-heir with Christ, so live like it!  

GBY... (God bless Ya!)
Yours Adrian Deacon



20151109

CHURCH HISTORY Part 4 -:- [The New World]

The aim of this talk is to briefly study the origins of the Futurist Interpretation. Then changes as the Church preparing for the New World?
CHURCH HISTORY Part 4-----[The New World]

Published 20151109 -:- Revised 20251003P

NB: I am dyslexic so please bear with me. Bible references are from MKJV unless noted otherwise.


AIM --- The aim of this talk is to briefly study the origin of the Futurist Interpretation and the Church preparing for the New World.

REASON --- It is important to understand how futurism came into being. How did it so quickly become the only accepted interpretation? Why does it cause so much conflict in the church? Also what caused the various denominations to develop?


REFERENCES & EQUIPMENT ---
MKJ=     Bible references are from the Modern King James Bible unless noted otherwise.
WH=      Classic Time line of World History by Sebastian Adam [based on Ussher’s ‘Annals of the World’] (9m wall chart)
HYY=     History Year by Year (by Dorling Kindersley Ltd)
GPF=      Great People of Faith and Wisdom (by Readers Digest)
HCC=     History of The Christian Church (by Philip Schaff) via e-Sword 1882 Edition
FBM=     Fox’s Book of Martyrs – via e-Sword
WP=       Wikipedia
CN=        e-Sword Commentary Notes by “NAME” on Bible Ref “BOOK CH: Vrs” e.g. [ref CN Clark on Dan 7:7].
EN=        Microsoft Encyclopaedia Encarta 2006. with reference word to be used, e.g. [ref EN i.e. Protestantism]
EB=         Encyclopædia Britannica 1999 Edition
NA=       New Advent. Catholic Encyclopaedia with reference word to be used, e.g. [ref NA i.e. Jesuits, The]
TV=        Television for Slide presentations.

DISCLAIMER -- Clearly I don’t want to upset anyone’s faith or beliefs. That’s why most of this work is made up of “quotations” from reputable articles you can source to verify. HCC is in old ‘1880’ English so direct quotes are somewhat hard to understand. To change it too much would make it harder to find the references. If a reference is underlined you can use that exact wording to find the original article.

REVISION   
I might at times make reference to prophecies. This is for the benefit of those who understand the historic viewpoint.

In the first lesson we covered the following points: -

How the Apostles took the gospel beyond the Roman world, and by the 200’s the gospel was in northern Europe, and China.
The Roman persecutions which ended in AD. 313 when Emperor Constantine became a Christian, which effectively legalized Christianity.
The idolatrous false worship of Mary, martyrs, saints and relics.

380 Papal Supremacy and how the simple bishop of Rome became, “pontifex.” The old pagan title for the High Priest of Rome
393 The Canon was established, the 66 books called the bible. ---

The fall of Rome to Arian Christian kings, and how they all feared the Pope.
The rise of TEN kingdoms of Europe and three kingdoms “Plucked up by the roots”; and The increase in papal power to 1000AD.
God’s use of Islam to correct idolatry and the schism it caused in 1054 between the Eastern and Western churches

In the second lesson we covered: -
The False Teachings – (infallibility, image-worship, celibacy, purgatory, abolition of the Christian Sabbath, transubstantiation, etc.)
Some of the Extraordinary Papal Claims, for example  --  “there is no allegiance to Christ without submission to the pope”
What Started The Reformation as early as 1010 AD and their key objections.

Some Catholic Reformers; Hildegard with her visions and prophecies. And the Dominican and Franciscan orders.
How God again inspired the Arabs and Turks to force THE CRUSADES; then finally the fall of Constantinople. Which lead to the fleeing of Greek scholars with Greek manuscripts to the west and its effect on knowledge, followed by 1440 The Printing Press.

1478 The Spanish Inquisition and its ruthless suppression of bible translations.
The Reformation, which started on 31 October 1517, when Luther posted the ninety-five theses.
And the Counter-Reformation

In the third lesson we covered: -
The historic interpretation of revelation and why it is important to understand that view.
The Reformers before the reformation.

1517 “The Two Witnesses” of Rev ch. 11.
And who were the reformers who carried the message to all parts of Europe. 

Q & A -----

LESSON  --  CHURCH HISTORY Part 4

1540 JESUITS FORMED  NB the reference from NEW ADVENT Catholic Encyclopedia
“The Society of Jesus. (Company of Jesus, Jesuits) …is a religious order founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola. Designated by him "The Company of Jesus" to indicate its true leader and its soldier spirit, the title was Latinized into "Societas Jesu" in the Bull of Paul III approving its formation and the first formula of its Institute ("Regimini militantis ecclesia", 27 Sept., 1540). The term "Jesuit" (of fifteenth-century origin, meaning one who used too frequently or appropriated the name of Jesus), was first applied to the society in reproach (1544-52), and was never employed by its founder, though members and friends of the society in time accepted the name in its good sense.

The Society ranks among religious institutes as a mendicant order of clerks regular, that is, a body of priests organized for apostolic work, following a religious rule, and relying on alms for their support. …. The Society was not founded with the avowed intention of opposing Protestantism. Neither the papal letters of approbation nor the Constitutions of the order mention this as the object of the new foundation….As the object of the society was the propagation and strengthening of the Catholic faith everywhere, the Jesuits naturally endeavored to counteract the spread of Protestantism. They became the main instruments of the Counter-Reformation; the re-conquest of southern and western Germany and Austria for the Church, and the preservation of the Catholic faith in France and other countries were due chiefly to their exertions.” [Ref NA Jesuits The]

In another book ‘Highlights of Church History by Howard f. Vos. He says “They were absolutely unscrupulous in their methods, holding that it was permissible to do evil if good might come of it… sought to infiltrate government by any means fair or foul to advance the Church”. In other words they ‘didn’t play nice’ with others. If you were Protestant and fell into their hands your days were numbered!
Over time they have “been expelled from every country in Europe,  ..1773 ..Pope Clement XIV issued a brief suppressing the order. ..1814, ..Pope Pius VII re-established the Jesuits on a worldwide basis.” [ref EN Jesuits]

Q & A -----

THE FUTURIST INTERPRETATION  --  “Eschatology"

As I have said before, I AM NOT trying to push any one particular belief! This subject is one of the NO GO areas in almost every church. And this should not be so! Why? Because John writing at the start of the Book of Revelation, says in Rev 1:3 “Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is near.” [ref MKJ]. So it would appear that Satan has done something regarding the Book of Revelation to create argument, strife, and confusion in us to rob us of the Blessing!

Let's go through this chronologically. What was the generally accepted belief from the start? It was what we call today 'The Historic Interpretation'. Exactly the same as the bible was perceived in the times of the Old Testament. They knew of the prophecies, and as history unfolded, they could see the prophecies unfolding in their time throughout each generation. Look at the time leading up to when Jesus was born. They knew the prophecies of Daniel chapter 9 and others, which told them that the Messiah should arrive soon. Refer Matt 2: 1-6; King Herod asked all the chief priests and scribes "where Christ should be born". They answered and said in Bethlehem, and they quoted Mic 5:2. So the bible was believed as being historically fulfilled.

The early Reformers saw the bible being fulfilled in the same way! Things in prophecy were unfolding at ongoing intervals throughout their various lifetimes'. Augustine, Jerome, Luther, Wickliffe all agreed with the Historical view. Hence many of the reformers all agreed that the antichrist was already active during their own lifetime. Even the Apostles Paul and Peter said the antichrist was active in their time! For The Reformers the scripture, 2 Thess 2, ‘he sits as God in the temple of God’; as far as they were concerned was already coming into existence. And they, (the Protestants), Protested vehemently throughout the ages. And that led to the Historic Interpretation. In a previous lesson I have briefly mentioned that view. If scripture interprets itself, and they all agreed, then that should be good enough correct?

But NO; Now we have numerous interpretations? Here I am only hoping to cover Futurism. So where did this view start? Now if you ‘key into’ any encyclopaedia or web site, ‘Futurism’, you will invariably find, Francisco Ribera as the one who developed the doctrine of futurism. Saying this might get you some flak! But if it was developed by some one much earlier; then who? Augustine and Jerome were pillars of the Roman Catholic Church and they didn’t teach it! Perhaps it was in the teachings of the Arians or the New Manichaeans, who I mentioned in previous lessons, and if so, they were stamped out by the pope as heretics. What’s more the Catholic Church proudly claims Ribera as one of their greatest theologians. So, what did he come up with? And did he have any supporters? “Through the mouth of 2or3 witnesses”

The following information I have obtained from a web site entitled [ref “The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism" reach it via this link: - https://www.biblelightinfo.com/antichrist.htm]. Rather than reword it and loose the Hyper-links and its own references, I have left it as is. It is still very useful for the modern historic information. Some of the OLD English or Latin spelling, 'in blue', can be a bit of a 'hiccup'.

Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was a Jesuit doctor of theology, born in Spain, who began writing a lengthy commentary in 1585 on the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590. He died in 1591 at the age of fifty-four, so he was not able to expand on his work or write any other commentaries on Revelation. In order to remove the Catholic Church from consideration as the antichrist power, Ribera proposed that the first few chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest he limited to a yet future period of 3 1/2 literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy. Then, he proposed, the antichrist, a single individual, would:
1.        Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God.
2.        Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
3.        Abolish the Christian religion.
4.        Deny Jesus Christ.
5.        Be received by the Jews.
6.        Pretend to be God.
7.        Kill the two witnesses of God.
8.        Conquer the world.
To accomplish this Ribera, proposed that the 1260 days and 42 months and 3 1/2 times of prophecy were not 1260 years, but a literal 3 1/2 years, and therefore none of the book of Revelation had any application to the middle ages or the papacy, but to the future, to a period immediately prior to the second coming, hence the name Futurism. A 1591 edition, 1593 edition, and a 1603 edition of his commentary are now online
His thesis consisted of 500 pages

Q & A -----
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine one of the best known Jesuit apologists, published a work between 1581 and 1593 entitled Disputationum Roberti Bellarmini De controversiis Christian fidei adversus hujus temporis haereticos, (Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time), in which he also denied the day = year principle in prophecy and pushed the reign of antichrist into a future period of 3 1/2 literal years. (See Froom, Prophetic Faith, Vol. 2, pgs. 495 - 502).

Michael Walpole Available Online: A Treatise of Antichrist. Conteyning the defence of Cardinall Bellarmines arguments, which inuincibly demonstrate, that the pope is not Antichrist. Against George Downam  by Michael Christopherson priest ..., Volume 1 of 2 by the English Jesuit, Michael Walpole (1570-1624?), 1613 edition. Christopherson is a pseudonym for Walpole.
The third chapter, titled "Wherein it is shewed, that Antichrist is not yet come", (pages 49-51) discusses the protestant (Lutheran) Matthias Flacius Illyricus (1520-1575) and his Catalogue of Witnesses to the Truth who before our day cried out against the Pope  (Catalogus Testium Veritatis - Basel, 1556), his Magdeburg Centuries (Ecclesiastica Historia, 1559 - 1574), an ecclesiastical history of 13 volumes    (1 volume per century) to 1298 A.D. which established from that history that the Bishop of Rome was the Antichrist, and a 1260 year spiritual reign of the papal Antichrist, proposed to be from 606 - 1866 A.D., with the Lord's judgment commencing in 1866! 
Q & A -----

Manuel De Lacunza (1731–1801), a Jesuit from Chile, wrote a manuscript in Spanish titled La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad ("The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty"), under the pen name of Juan Josafa [Rabbi] Ben-Ezra about 1791. Lacunza wrote under an assumed Jewish name to obscure the fact that he was a Catholic, in order to give his book better acceptance in Protestantism, his intended audience. Also an advocate of Futurism, Lacunza was deliberately attempting to take the pressure off the papacy by proposing that the Antichrist was still off in the future. His manuscript was published in London, Spain, Mexico and Paris between 1811 and 1826.  Volume 1   Volume II   Volume III La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestadonline at the National Library of Chile (in Spanish).

Edward Irving (1792-1834), a Scottish Presbyterian and forerunner of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, translated Lacunza's work from Spanish into English in a book titled The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty with a Preliminary Discourse, published in London in 1827 by L.B. Seeley & Sons, which included Irving's own lengthy preface.

Margaret McDonald, a 15 year old Scottish girl, and member of Edward Irving's congregation, had visions in early 1830 that included a Secret Rapture of believers before the appearance of the Antichrist. She informed Irving of her visions by letter. Irving then attended the prophecy conferences that began in Dublin Ireland in 1830 at Powerscourt Castle, where he promoted both Futurism and a Secret Rapture.

Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), scholar and librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury, further promoted and established Futurism in England after 1826, as a result of reading the work of Manuel De Lacunza. He concluded that the 3 1/2 times, 42 months, and 1260 days of Daniel and Revelation were all intended to be a literal 3 1/2 years, not 1260 years.

John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), a Church of Ireland clergyman, later with the Plymouth Brethren, also promoted Futurism and a secret rapture. Darby attended the series of meetings on Bible Prophecy that began in 1830 at Powerscourt, Ireland, and at these conferences Darby apparently learned about the secret rapture as revealed by vision to Margaret McDonald, and promoted by Edward Irving, and he soon visited Margaret MacDonald at her home in Port Glasgow, Scotland. Darby later visited America several times between 1859 and 1874, where his Futurist theology was readily accepted.

Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), greatly influenced by the writings of J. N. Darby, incorporated Futurism in the notes of his Scofield Reference Bible. First published by Oxford University Press in 1909, one million copies were printed by 1930. The Scofield Bible was instrumental in firmly establishing the Jesuit inspired Futurist interpretation in the Protestant Bible schools of the USA in the 20th century.

If you have e-Sword on your PC you can look up the following reference. In the Commentary Notes, do a search for “Futurist” in PNT -The People’s New Testament, and JBF -Jamieson Fausset and Brown Commentary. Both sections give good comparisons. Or you can then go to  e-Sword/Graphics/Larkin, to find a host of the grand old style wall charts. Take a cut lunch and a bible you can be all day in them.

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What Scriptural Interpretation Is Needed For Futurism


GAPS! Scriptures need ‘Gaps’ inserted in order to be compatible with the fact that most of the Book of Revelation is fulfilled in the future.

In Dan Chapter 2 King Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of the statue of different materials representing consecutive kingdoms. Yet it must be understood, 'Using The GAP Theory' as: Head-Gold = Babylon, chest-Silver = Medo-Persia, belly-bronze = Greece, legs-iron = Rome, insert Gap, feet-iron &clay = a Future Ten Kingdoms under the control of the Antichrist and he will rule with them for either 7 or 3½ years. So, from the fall of Rome in 476AD to now is some 1540 plus years. So, we’re not in the Roman Empire NOW, we’re not in the Ten Toes Kingdom YET! We are now living in THE GAP period.
The GAPS are explained if you go to e-Sword/Graphics/Larkin. Chart No2 “The Mountain Peaks Of Prophecy”, and other charts.

Also, Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy; Dan 9:24/27 the last week is moved off to the future, so that it is understood as: vs 26 “And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off but not for Himself. And the people of the ruler who shall come...” insert Gap, then vs 27 “And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”. he is the Antichrist. (This is an issue of ‘grammar’. The ruler is the last person mentioned so he, refers to the ruler. Yet in Hebrew grammar the subject of the prophecy is The Messiah so he refers to The Messiah -- e.g. Gen 4:17)

THE SECRET RAPTURE
This is based on all the scriptures referring to the second advent of Christ, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night”. This is the Lord’s second coming, the ‘Second Advent’; He will QUIETLY gather us, and the dead in Christ to meet Him in the air. Then we all go off to heaven to the “marriage supper of the lamb” for 7 0r 3 ½ yrs. An example scripture for the Rapture is: -

1 Th 4:15to17. “Vs.15… we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep. Vs.16  For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Vs.17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air…” Only the Christians hear the SHOUT, and the TRUMPET of GOD. And those left behind wake up the next morning to find all the Christians have GONE! Then they go through Daniel’s last ‘week’, (7 years), and the Great Tribulation. It is HELL ON EARTH without God’s help! The bible is useless because at the Rapture the Holy Spirit is taken out of the world. For part of those 7 yrs you will not be able to die.

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THE TEMPLE MUST BE REBUILT
We do hear from time to time that there are plans to rebuild ‘The Temple of God’. To fabricate a new Ark of The Convenient and then blood sacrifices will be restarted by the Jews in Jerusalem. Yet there are no scriptures to say that the temple is ever going to be rebuilt during or before the time of the Antichrist! But the conclusion is ‘The Temple’ is already here on earth at the time of the Antichrist. This is very clear, for the scripture says, 2Th_2:4  “so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.” [ref MKJV]

There have been a number of ideas put forward for this to be fulfilled. One is that the building is already here now. That makes very good sense, it is not ‘getting rebuilt’ or yet to be built, it is already in existence and can be instantly adapted to be The Temple of God. Some say it’s the United Nations building? Or obviously ‘The Dome of the Rock’ which is already on site, and it then becomes ‘The Temple of God’! Possible?

But I don't think it will ever be rebuilt, refer to my talk in this link: - Rebuilding The Temple Of Jerusalem

THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Some people have differing interpretations as to whether the Church goes through this or not! It’s like getting the lunch order from your mates at work. They each want a burger with 3,4 or 5 of the 7 ingredients available. For example: -
Daniels 70th week. In all the Futurist interpretations of scriptures; you DO NOT apply “(the day = year)”. Yet in this scripture you do because it is Old Testament. So the last ‘week’, 7 days = 7 years, is the last seven years on earth in which the Antichrist rules. Then ‘Christ Returns in His Glory’. During this ‘week’, (7 years) the Antichrist, “he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. And in the midst of the ‘week’ he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease”, [ref.KJV] he will put a stop to the blood sacrifice. Some say we are raptured at the start, the middle or the end of that week? And they use the following scriptures to support their views: -

1 Th 4:15to17 as above. In that passage there is no mention of a falling away, or the man of sin being revealed. Also there is obviously no mention of a 2nd Rapture at the Third Advent, so we must all be raptured before the start of the ‘week’ and miss the Great Tribulation.

 “2Th 2:1 ..”with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, vs.2 ..you should not be ..troubled…as if the Day of Christ is at hand. Vs.3 ..For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed”.
Now if the man of sin is revealed, it’s because of his blasphemy and stopping the sacrifice. That happens in the middle of the ‘week’, so we must all be here for the start of the ‘week’ to see that happen. Then we’re ‘gathering together to Him’ before the Great Tribulation.

In Dan 7:25 He “shall wear out the saints.. until a time, times and one-half time”, = 3 ½ years. That 3 ½ years is the last half of the 7 years mentioned above. If Antichrist is going to ‘wear out’ the saints, meaning us, then we must all still be here during the Great Tribulation.

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THE THIRD ADVENT AND THE MILLENNIUM
This is the third time Christ visits the earth. At which time Christ returns ‘In His Glory’, “when every eye shall see”, “every knee shall bow”, “the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.”. It will be obvious! Christ will then destroy the Antichrist. Bind Satan and cast him into the ‘bottomless pit’ for 1000 years. Then Christ will rule the world with a “Rod of Iron” for the next 1000 years, which is called the Millennial Kingdom of Christ on earth. Again ‘how do you like your burger’? Some people do not accept the 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom of Christ. They see that when Christ returns; the earth is destroyed, and we all go to heaven! And they have many scriptures to support this view. But if you go to e-Sword/Graphics/Larkin, and flick through his various charts, they are all there for you.

This '1000 years' is one of the KEY arguments for the Futurist Interpreters saying that "The Day for A Year" rule should NOT apply to the whole Book of Revelation. It would mean that parts of the Revelation would apply the rule and other parts would not! What would happen with the 1000 years? (1000x360=360,000 days; so, day=year means Christ rules for 360,000 years! That is a long time to wait to go to heaven.
PRETERISM This is another version altogether different! It claims; that the prophecies regarding the Antichrist were fulfilled by the Roman Emperor Nero and his persecution of the Christians in 68 AD. I have never heard of any person who believes this view.

Summary --  In my earlier lesson I briefly touched on the Historic View as it was relevant to what the reformers believed, eg. the ‘Two Witnesses’. Here I have give more time to Futurism, as it is relevant to modern theology today. Historicism seemed to run out of prophetic vision by about the 1950’s. But if you still hold to Historicism, bear in mind prophecy can have double fulfilment. What you MUST do is examine the scriptures. Deu 19:15 ‘....At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be made sure.’ Do NOT grab an idea, ‘that sounds good’, it must make scriptural sense!
Example: Preterism - would God leave us WITH OUT vision for 1900 yrs? Historicism – WHAT then was the Mark of the Beast? Futurism – would God WANT a Temple rebuilt? Teaching doesn’t stand or fall, just because you do or don’t understand it yet! Ask for God’s help.

The Diagram Below -- I have found this in the web site mentioned above, shown in the footnote, (Refer to the link below). It is one of the simplest diagrams that I have ever seen, which can easily show a young Christian where the different interpretations place the reign of the Antichrist. Ribera's Futurism puts Antichrist into a Future 3 ½ Literal years. Alcazar's Preterism identifies Antichrist as Nero. Protestant Historicists put the Antichrist's Reign in the Dark Ages, as in Rev.12:6, a 1260 Prophetic ‘days’, which with a day for a year, = 1260 literal years.

                  
[ref web. “The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism; via link https://www.biblelightinfo.com/antichrist.htm”]

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1530 the MARCH of the COUNTER REFORMATION  --  Now Back To Church History  ------
Remember we touched on that in our second talk. The ‘New Advent’ gave the starting date as 1560, and an interesting insight into the Catholic view of the Counter Reformation. In their own words “The term Counter-Reformation denotes the period of Catholic revival from the pontificate of Pope Pius IV in 1560 to the close of the Thirty Years' War, 1648. The name, though long in use among Protestant historians, has only recently been introduced into Catholic handbooks. The consequence is that it already has a meaning and an application, for which a word with a different nuance should perhaps have been chosen. For in the first place the name suggests that the Catholic movement came after the Protestant; whereas in truth the reform originally began in the Catholic Church, and Luther was a Catholic Reformer before he became a Protestant. By becoming a Protestant Reformer, he did indeed hinder the progress of the Catholic reformation, but he did not stop it.” [ref NA] ?? Interesting concept isn’t it!

The Protestant View regarding the “counter attack” was that the Church of Rome found her followers drifting away to the Protestant teaching in large numbers. And the Inquisition only added to the belief that the pope was the Antichrist. So Rome had to do something more to stop loosing ground to the Protestants! So Rome commissioned Francisco Ribera, ‘a Jesuit,’ “sworn to support the pope by any means”, to produce a NEW interpretation to take the guilt off the pope. I searched in e-Sword / HCC, for ‘Counter-Reformation’ and I found twice this number of articles, but these give us good insight into the history. It really seemed to be just another name for the Inquisition.

1531 The Zürichers…forced the Reformation upon the Forest Cantons…and…provoked a reaction…with the aid of Austria and Spain and the counter-Reformation of the papacy, might have ended in the destruction of Protestantism. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.5:48]. 1531 The little battle of Cappel…arrested forever the progress of the Reformation in German Switzerland, and…check the progress of Protestantism in Germany. It encouraged the Roman Catholic reaction, which…assumed the character of a formidable Counter-Reformation. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.5:49]

1534 “That year was remarkable…founding of the order of the Jesuits…which took the lead in the Counter-Reformation” Henry VIII was excommunicated. “Inquisition in Italy;..the bloody persecution of..Protestants in Paris..The Roman Counter-Reformation now…called for a consolidation of the Protestant forces.” [ref HCC vol.8 ch.9:76]. “This Roman-Catholic reformation was effected by the Council of Trent, but turned out to be a papal counter-reformation, and a weapon against Protestantism in the hands..the Jesuits.” [ref HCC vol.7 ch.3:51]

1555 Vergerio “left the Roman Church…a man of imposing personality, considerable learning and eloquence, wit and irony…and diplomatic experience…He could not forget his former episcopal authority and pretensions, nor his commanding position as the representative of the pope…agreed with Luther that the papacy was an invention of the Devil; that the pope was..Antichrist seated in the temple of God as…(Dan_11:36) and…(2Th_2:3 sq.)…the beast of the Apocalypse…He is especially severe on” Pope Paul IV, “who as Cardinal Caraffa had made some…utterances on the corruption of the clergy, but since his elevation to the “apostate chair, which corrupts every one who ascends it,”..become..leader of the Counter-Reformation with its measures of violence and blood.” [ref HCC vol.8 ch.4:38]

1620 The Roman Counter-Reformation was begun…in Upper Italy and Switzerland by…Charles Borromeo, archbishop of Milan. Jesuits and Capuchins stirred up the hatred of the ignorant and superstitious people against the Protestant heretics. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.4:39]

1757 Benedict XIV…bibles could be read in the vernacular…if approved in Rome with explanatory notes…by Catholic scholars (1757). .. excludes,..all Protestant versions…They are regarded as corrupt and heretical and…committed to the flames in Roman Catholic countries, especially in connection with the counter-Reformation of the Jesuits in Bohemia and elsewhere.. [ref HCC vol.7 ch.1:6]

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“1492”

THE NEW WORLD  “Deu_32:8 when the most High divided to the nations their inheritance”

Exploration has gone on for thousands of years with stories like, the Egyptians reached Australia. Solomon’s ships of Tarshish reached the British Isles. The ‘Silk Road’ China to Baghdad. The Vikings circumnavigated Europe by 950AD, using river routs to the Black and Caspian seas. In 1002 Leif Ericson accidentally found America. 1271 Marco Polo, the first European to reach China. 1325 Ibn Battuta a Moroccan, over 20 yrs visiting almost all the Muslim world. These ocean explorers generally hugged the coasts; any knowledge or maps were guarded as ‘state secrets’. They had the compass, stars and knowledge of the East; it was simple logic, sail west to China. But what stopped them? The world was FLAT! Superstition and Religion stifled exploration, Columbus said, “the world was round”. The pope placed him under ban, forbidden to speak for months. Eventually he gained royal permission in 1492, he sailed due west, unheard of in his day.

Spain and Portugal were the main contenders for the new territories. So in 1494 Pope Alexander drew a line north to south down the map of the Americas, gave the west to Spain and the east to Portugal. Each super power strived to expand into an empire. [ref: for the above history HYY]. To see where various nationalities colonized the world, there is a handy map in e-Sword in the Graphics Viewer section; the map is entitled “111. The Spread Of Colonization 1600-1700”. But world events at ‘Home’, (Europe), determined who had the wealth and stability to finance expeditions and colonization. And religion played a key part as well.

1521 GERMANY Sympathies with the Reformation and political troubles made the execution of the papal bull and Edict of Worms against Luther nearly impossible. The Emperor was absent in Spain, fully occupied suppressing an insurrection, the conquest of Mexico by Cortez, and the war with France. Germany was threatened by the approach of the Turks, who had conquered Belgrade and most of Hungary. The dangers of the nation overruled and Protestantism made rapid progress in Europe. [ref HCC vol.7 ch.4:69]. Protestant governments in Germany and Switzerland band Roman Catholics of religious and civil rights. Took possession of their churches, and other property. They banished, imprisoned, drowned, beheaded, hanged, and burned Anabaptists, Antitrinitarians, Schwenkfeldians, and other dissenters. In Saxony, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark no religion and public worship was allowed but the Lutheran. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.16:139]

1536 ENGLAND’S BREAK FROM PAPAL RULE
1534 Henry VIII was excommunicated. 1536 The Act of Supremacy. The English Monarch becomes the Head of the Church of England. People always say Henry only did that so that he could get a divorce. Think! Henry wanted a strong son! He had daughters, and who is in charge of fertility? Ask Abraham. Pro 21:1  “The king's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He will.” I have a very strong belief that God was fully in charge and it was exactly the right time in prophecy for England to break from the papal Empire.
1571 The Book of Common Prayer and the ratification of its “thirty nine articles” completely severed the Church England from Rome.   

1553 "Bloody Mary" came to power and placed England ruthlessly back under papal rule. About 300 burnt at the stake during her 5 years.

1558 Second Reformation – “The re-establishment of Protestantism under Queen Elizabeth, 1558-1603, permanently established the Reformed religion, but to the exclusion of all dissent. Her penal code was aimed systematically at the annihilation of both Popery and Puritanism. Then began the second Reformation. It was the people against their rulers, the struggle between Puritanism and the semi-popery of the Stuart dynasty. Puritanism achieved a temporary triumph at the execution of Charles I. Puritanism as a national political power died with Cromwell, and in 1660 Episcopacy and the Prayer Book were restored under Charles II. Another revolution under William and Mary in 1688 made an end to the treacherous rule of the Stuarts and gave toleration to the Dissenters, who hereafter organized themselves into separate denominations, and represent the left wing of English Protestantism.” [ref HCC vol.7 ch.1:12 and 13]

The SPANISH ARMADA sailed from Lisbon in May 1588 consisted of about 130-150 ships with about 30,000 men in total. They confronted the English fleet, and with the complements of Gods extraordinary bad weather; Only 60 ships returned. Many of them too badly damaged to repair, and some 15,000 men perished. It was the first major naval gun battle under sail, which nearly bankrupted Spain and was perhaps the launching point of English navel sea power. [ref EB]. At one time in the English Channel, the English sent 'Fire Ships' into the Spanish fleet, which created absolute havoc. For those with an interest in the Historic Interpretation this is the fulfilment of, Rev 15:2 "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast”

The Toleration Act of 1689 The overthrow of the Stuarts, gave the Dissenters who were formerly included in the Church of England, the liberty to organize themselves into separate denominations under the names of Presbyterians, Independents or Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers; all professing the principles of the Reformation, but differing in minor points of doctrine, discipline, and the mode of worship.

The Methodist revival shook England and the American colonies during the 1700’s, giving rise to a new denomination, which spread with the enthusiasm of an army of conquest and grew into one of the largest and most influential communions in English-speaking Christendom.

In Scotland, the original unity of the Reformed Kirk was likewise broken up. So the Scottish population is divided into three branches; the Established Church, the United Presbyterian Church, and the Free Church of Scotland; all holding, however, to the Westminster standards.

In Germany, the Moravian brotherhood acquired a legal existence, and fully earned it by its missionary zeal among the heathen, its educational institutions, its pure discipline and stimulating influence upon the older churches.

All these Churches of Great Britain and the Continent were transplanted by emigration to the virgin soil of North America, where they mingle on a basis of equality before the law and in the enjoyment of perfect religious freedom.” [ref HCC vol.7 ch.1:9]

CONCLUSION
In short the world seemed to learn how to play nice together just before they went to the New World. My next lesson I hope to study each of the above mentioned denominations.

I will be happy to TRY to answer any of your questions over a cuppa …… and Thank you for attending.
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