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Lies In The Bible Part 2

Imagine the Rapture happens! Your LEFT HEHIND! So you open to Heb 13:5 ‘I will not leave, no, nor forsake you’ WHAT! That’s a LIE isn’t it??

Lies In The Bible Part 2

Published 20250602 -:- Revised 20251012 --p

Is there a Pre Tribulation RAPTURE?

Please note that I am NOT trying to say that the bible is full of lies!!

But in a previous talk I have already covered some biblical "hiccups" which I have called "The Lies In The Bible". In which I talked about various scriptures regarding the throne of David. I addressed the issue that CLEARLY, according to scriptures David MUST have, in our present time, one of his defendants still sitting on his throne.

But in this talk, I would like to address the issue of a "Supposed Pre Tribulation Rapture"?

Firstly, what is the accepted theory of the events concerning the "Pre Tribulation rapture?
They are as follows..
1. The dead in Christ rise first.
2. We who are still alive, (Christians), also rise.
3. And we all meet the Lord in the air.
(This is all clearly explained in 1 Thess 4 versus 16 and 17.)
4. The Holy Spirit is taken out of the world.

Because according to some theologians: When the pre tribulation rapture happens, the Holy Spirit is taken out of the world. They refer to this passage in 2 Thess 2 :7 - 8 "until he.. (the Holy Spirit).. be taken out of the way. vs 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed." (The antichrist)!

Which gives credence to the idea that after the rapture the antichrist then comes to power. Also, he is not restrained by the Holy Spirit, so he has free reign on earth to bring in his evil kingdom. Then bring in his identifying mark in your right hand or in your forehead. He makes war with the Saints, and he rules for seven years. Refer Revelation 13

If we now assume these four points as listed above are the correct interpretation of scripture, what happens immediately after the pre tribe rapture; and before the antichrist comes to power?

Just imagine this! The rapture has happened late last week. You have seen 'The Rapture' reported on the News; it's all on the radio, Facebook, U-tube and all sorts of media. But when you try to show your friends what has happened, all media 'links' and any record of the rapture has been deleted! A HUGE Cover-up!

You meet your friends at church; and let's say 60% or even 80% of them are gone? But you are all Christians and for some reason you have all been "left behind"! WHY? What on earth are you going to do?

The very first thing I think you and your friends would do, would be to start reading the bible to trying to find out where you all got it wrong! Most probably you would meticulously study the New Testament. But you would soon discover to your horror that numerous passages make no sense at all! In fact when you read some verses of the bible, (in the light of the fact that you have been left behind); then some passages could only be described as Lies.

For example, when you read Hebrews 13 :5. "He will Never leave you nor forsake you". If you have been left behind after the rapture. And you read that. Then to you that passage is a LIE. For you have been LEFT and Forsaken and give over by Christ to the clutches of the antichrist!!

But the other BIG issue which you would probably never comprehend.. is that with the Holy Spirit removed from the world, the Holy Spirit is no longer with you to lead you through the scriptures. Refer Joh 16 :13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." So if the Holy Spirit is not in the world or in you what hope have you got to understand the scriptures?
Or as that verse is says. how could you even hear anything from the Holy Spirit?

Without the Holy Spirit you would have as much understanding of the scriptures as Satan does! It is said that if Satan had understood the Word of God he would never have crucified The Lord of Glory.

But We've Been Left Behind!!

Let's pretend we have been left behind, and let's do some word searches and find some of these scriptures that would make no sense or have even become LIES! We can use words like; forever, truth, spirit and gift etc. I'll give you a few that I have found just to get you started.

Some complete chapters are quite interesting. For example, Jesus telling his disciples of the Comforter in John chapters 14, 15 and 16. Or Paul speaking of the Gifts of The Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14. Some scriptures may not appear to be so obviously wrong, (that is in the light of a pre tribe rapture and you have been LEFT BEHIND). So I have added a short note to indicate why I have flagged it.

Mat 28:20 KJV "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Well, He is not because He has left you).

Luk 11 :13 KJV 'If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?'
(Ask all you like but the Holy Spirit will not be given to you!)

Joh 14 :17 KJV 'Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.' (Rubbish! not in you , he is gone!)

Joh 14 :21 KJV 'He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.'
(Why would Christ waste his time with you if He chose to leave and forsake you?)

Joh 14 :23 KJV 'Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.' [False!]

Joh 14 :26 KJV 'But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.'

Joh 15 :26 KJV 'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:'

Joh 16 :7 KJV 'Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.'

Joh 16 :8 KJV 'And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:'
(Therefore, NONE of these things listed below will happen if the Holy Spirit is removed from the world!)

Joh 16 :9 KJV 'Of sin, because they believe not on me;'
Joh 16 :10 KJV 'Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;'
Joh 16 :11 KJV 'Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.'

Joh 16 :13 KJV 'Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.'

Joh 16 :14 KJV 'He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.'

Joh 16 :15 KJV 'All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. :16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;'

Rom 1 :11 KJV 'For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;'

1Co 12: 1 KJV 'Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.'

1Co 12 :3 KJV 'Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.'
1Co 12 : 4 KJV 'Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.'
1Co 12 :7 KJV 'But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.'
1Co 12 :8 KJV 'For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;'
1Co 12 :9 KJV 'To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;'
1Co 12 :10 KJV 'To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:'
(There could be no true prophecy without the leading of the Holy Spirit!)

1Co 12 :11 KJV 'But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.'
1Co 12 :13 KJV 'For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.'
(So, it is the Holy Spirit that baptizes you into the body of Christ. THEREFORE No one could possibly be saved during the Great Tribulation!!)

1Co 14 :1 KJV 'Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.'

1Co 14 :12 KJV 'Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.'

1Co 14 :25 KJV 'And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.'
(This can't happen without the Holy Spirit showing you the secrets?)

Eph 1 :13 KJV 'In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,'

Col 1 :5 KJV 'For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;'
(Buy this stage the bible is so full of LIES! Why would you call it.. "the word of the truth"??)

Col 1 :6 KJV 'Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:'
("the word of the truth"??)

1Th 2 :13 KJV 'For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.'
("the word of the truth"??)

2Th 2 :13 KJV 'But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:'
("the word of the truth"??)

1Jn 2 :27 KJV 'But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.'

Summing Up

We all know that the Word of God IS Truth! Therefore, these passages listed above CAN NOT be LIES! So, the only logically conclusion is that the originally "accepted theory of the events", as above was an incorrect interpretation! And is wrong in someway! The "first three points" are clearly supported with 1 Thess 4 :16-17. The "forth point" must therefore be wrong.!


So the interpretation of 2 Thess 2 :7-8 must be wrong? This will really open up a can of worms for us! Because the interpretation we used comes from the Futurist Interpretation which is the most commonly used interpretation and the most popular. If you try to explain 2 Thess 2 :7-8 from the Historic point of view.. you usually get howled down and/or laughed at!

So let's read that passage in detail and back up a bit and start with verse 6.

2Th 2 :6-8 MKJV1962 6 "And now you know what holds back, for him to be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already working, only he [is] now holding back until it comes out of the] midst. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,"

The Futurist view claims this is describing the Holy Spirit holding back the antichrist until the Holy Spirit is taken out of the world? We have already worked out, that can't be a correct interpretation. Also, there are a number of issues wrong with that idea!

1. The apostle Paul has no need to use "vailed" speech to conveying to the reader he is speaking of the Holy Spirit! Why wouldn't Paul simply say.. "The Holy Spirit is currently holding back the antichrist!"

2. The Holy Spirit is addressed as a..
"What and it "? The Holy Spirit is never referred to that way. He is always described as a person... such as, 'He or His'!

3. The Pre Trib Rapture theory effectively claims The Lord comes in two stages. He first comes at the Rapture. Then Christ comes again 7 years later at The Second Advent. BUT in all the verses used to describe the Rapture and The Second Coming they ALL use the word "parousia" word number G3952". Which is translated into English from Strong's "parousia; par-oo-see'-ah; From the present participle of G3918; a being near, that is, advent (often, return; specifically of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physical aspect: - coming, presence.

Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself, the same word "parousia G3952" is used in all these verses: - 1Co 15:23, 1Th 2:19, 1Th 3:13, 1Th 4:15, 1Th 5:23, 2Th 2:1, 2Th 2:8, Jas 5:7, Jas 5:8, 2Pe 1:16, 2Pe 3:4, 2Pe 3:12 and 1Jn 2:28 And they are ALL used to speak of the 'coming of The Lord'.

But the 'Pre Trib Rapture theory' believers say when he comes at the Rapture it's not His second coming! (He comes but he doesn't come?). The second time Christ comes; (AGAIN), is at his Second Advent. (Ridiculous! it is the same word in each reference!) Therefore, they place the antichrist's appearance AFTER the Lord comes at the rapture!

Whereas Paul clearly says in 2 Thess 2 vs 1 & 3 the Lord CAN'T come in any way shape or form, until the antichrist FIRST appears!
2Th 2 :1-3 MKJV1962 1 "...with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, ... 3 ..For [that Day shall not come] unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,"

4. The other issue with 2 Thess 2 :3 is that some "biblical schoolers" claim that the phrase "falling away" means a departure! Inferring it is speaking of the rapture!

Whereas if you go to Thayers or Strongs Definition, "a falling away" (is word number G646 apostasia Thayer Definition: 1) a falling away, defection, defection from truth, apostasy." This could hardly be interpreted as a departure!

Which I think is pretty daft logic. Because if you read 2 Thess 2 :1 - 3; KJV 1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, .. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,.."

You are virtually saying Paul is telling the Thessalonians that the "gathering together", (the rapture), shall not come unless the "falling away", (the rapture), happens first!!?

So, if the antichrist comes first what is the, "what and it"? Which is holding back the antichrist? Well, the 'Historic Interpretation' has always said Paul was referring to the Roman Empire and the Caesar's. Hence his use of veiled speech. Could you imagine the consequence if Paul said... "The Roman Empire is currently holding back the antichrist. When it is removed, then the antichrist will come to power!" It would be a death sentence to any Christian with that letter in their possession!

Conclusion

Is the antichrist already here? And are we already going through the "Great Tribulation"? If so then the word Greet must inferring a LONG period of time as in, Luk 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess... she was of a great age". Which makes sense if you read "The Fine Print" in Revelation!!! After all Revelation is where we find all the information about the Great Tribulation. Read the fine print...


Rev 1 :1-3 MKJV1962 1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass.... 3 Blessed [is] the [one] who reads and hears the words of this prophecy... for the time [is] near." Then go to..
Rev 22 :6 "to show to His servants the things which must shortly be done.
vs :10 Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this Book; for the time is at hand."

Christ is clearly telling John everything you are about to write and everything you have just written is going to start to happen AS OF NOW! As of 96AD. So, there is NO Need for a RAPTURE, to get us out before the Tribulation Starts! BECAUSE we are already GOING THROUGH THE GREAT, (Long), TRIBULATION!! And we are currently all waiting for ONLY ONE Second Coming of The Lord. At which time the Lord shall destroy the antichrist, "
2Th 2 :8 KJV "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

Hope you liked that! It's a happier ending than living in fear that you might get LEFT BEHIND!

GBY (God Bless Ya!)
Yours Adrian



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