I
proved to you that the Revelation is in Three Parts. Giving us a conformation
of God’s BIG Plan, using the Three Witnesses principal!
Part 9
The One World Government - Historical View
OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads,
Horns and Crowns
Original Commenced 20201122 -:- Published 20210829 -:- Revised 20250923
This Paper Published 20260715 -:- Revised 20260715
Caution! Possible spelling mistakes - Scriptures from Modern King James (MKJV) unless noted otherwise.
Overview
I published ‘The
One World Government’ in 2020 some 90 plus pages. Not
conducive for a quick 10-minute read on the Internet. So I’ve divide it into a
few manageable ‘Short Papers’, also revising some of my earlier work. Below
I’ve given you the links to ALL the related ‘Short Papers’ on the “OWG”.. The One World Government Study. This basically gives you an index. The first four from the Futurist View (FV). The rest are
from the Historical View (HV)!
List of ‘Short Papers on the OWG’: -
OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government
OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings
OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7
OWG4 FV - The Time of the End
OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning
OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”
OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7
OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist?
OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
OWG10 HV - The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13
OWG11 HV - The Harlot Astride The Beast Rev 17
OWG12 HV - The Fall of Babylon Rev 18
Revision
In the talks entitled; OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government, I used the Futurist View to look at where the idea of a future One World Government came from, along with other important building blocks needed to formulate this study. In OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings I explained the meanings of the Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings. In OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7 I examined the prophecies regarding the Little Horn. In OWG4 FV - The Time of the End I examined the prophecies regarding the Little Horn ie, the future antichrist and the final end of ‘The One World Government’. In OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning we examined Why Do Historicists Think The Way they do? Mainly because of the differences in how they interpret some key scriptures. In OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings” we covered a lot of ground in Daniel 2. The ten kingdoms, they CAN NOT Unite, the ‘Stone Kingdom and finally the Beast of Dan 7. In OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7, we examine Nine Characteristics of the Little Horn in Daniel 7 that we can use to identify the antichrist. In OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist? I showed you that God has an earthly team He uses to destroy the antichrist. And is active through Daniel and parts of Revelation.
Aim
In this talk OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns; I hope to show you that the Revelation is in Three Parts. Giving us a conformation of God’s plan using the Three Witnesses principal!
Historical View OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
Have you ever noticed that the Revelation seems to be in three parts? The letters to the churches, which many commentaries will tell us, speaks of the character and history of the church, (or the body of Christ), throughout the ages. Meaning we are currently in the Laodicean church age now. But have you ever noticed chapter 11 seems like it comes to the end of the age? [Ref CN by MHCC on Revelation 11] “(Rev 11:1, Rev 11:2) The state of the church is represented under the figure of a temple measured. (Rev 11:3-6) Two witnesses prophesy is sackcloth. (Rev 11:7-13) They are slain, after which they arise and ascend to heaven. (Rev 11:14-19) Under the seventh trumpet, all antichristian powers are to be destroyed and there will be a glorious state of Christ's kingdom upon earth.” Then chapter 12 starts back at the arrival of Christ, “the man child”. Then the rest of the book continues to the conclusion of the Revelation? So it seems like it is in three parts? That’s quite correct; because the Revelation actually is three separate prophecies covering the same period of 2000 plus years. It’s a biblical principal; Refer Deu 17:6; Deu 19:15; Mat 18:16 and 2Co 13:1 “..In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.” So God is telling us in three different ways what He has planed for our future. In so doing God has given us three prophetic witnesses! May I refer you to my talk entitled, REVELATION - What Might God DO Next .
Remember I talked about the prophecies regarding the beast with one head /seven heads /ten horns /three removed etc. and that they represent different periods of time in the history of the Roman Empire. We will look into this in more detail as we work through revelation 12, 13 and 17 etc. Revelation 12 represents The Pagan Roman Empire, Revelation 13 represents the papal Roman Empire and revelation 17 onward represents the decline and fall of the papal Roman Empire. So those three chapters cover a long period of time in history. Now let’s look at each chapter to see what was prophesied and if it is an accurate account of historical events.
Below is a classic chart from A. J. Ferris and it has been taken from one of his booklets. [Ref CN by AJFerris on The Book of Revelation Pt 2 Ferris, page 19]. It shows you each Gentile Empire represented by its “beast” as described in the book of Daniel Chapter 7. It also shows the progression of each Empires, the area each empire covered and its time of appearing in history and its duration. It also gives you a good visual idea of the changing of the beast, from the seven heads and seven crowns as in Rev 12; to the ten horns with ten crowns as in Rev 13. Refer below, [Slide#10]
(The ‘squiggle notes’ are a bonus from my dad, playing with the ‘Seven Times’ or 2520 years).
List of ‘Short Papers on the OWG’: -
OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government
OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings
OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7
OWG4 FV - The Time of the End
OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning
OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”
OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7
OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist?
OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
OWG10 HV - The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13
OWG11 HV - The Harlot Astride The Beast Rev 17
OWG12 HV - The Fall of Babylon Rev 18
Revision
In the talks entitled; OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government, I used the Futurist View to look at where the idea of a future One World Government came from, along with other important building blocks needed to formulate this study. In OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings I explained the meanings of the Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings. In OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7 I examined the prophecies regarding the Little Horn. In OWG4 FV - The Time of the End I examined the prophecies regarding the Little Horn ie, the future antichrist and the final end of ‘The One World Government’. In OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning we examined Why Do Historicists Think The Way they do? Mainly because of the differences in how they interpret some key scriptures. In OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings” we covered a lot of ground in Daniel 2. The ten kingdoms, they CAN NOT Unite, the ‘Stone Kingdom and finally the Beast of Dan 7. In OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7, we examine Nine Characteristics of the Little Horn in Daniel 7 that we can use to identify the antichrist. In OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist? I showed you that God has an earthly team He uses to destroy the antichrist. And is active through Daniel and parts of Revelation.
Aim
In this talk OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns; I hope to show you that the Revelation is in Three Parts. Giving us a conformation of God’s plan using the Three Witnesses principal!
Historical View OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
Have you ever noticed that the Revelation seems to be in three parts? The letters to the churches, which many commentaries will tell us, speaks of the character and history of the church, (or the body of Christ), throughout the ages. Meaning we are currently in the Laodicean church age now. But have you ever noticed chapter 11 seems like it comes to the end of the age? [Ref CN by MHCC on Revelation 11] “(Rev 11:1, Rev 11:2) The state of the church is represented under the figure of a temple measured. (Rev 11:3-6) Two witnesses prophesy is sackcloth. (Rev 11:7-13) They are slain, after which they arise and ascend to heaven. (Rev 11:14-19) Under the seventh trumpet, all antichristian powers are to be destroyed and there will be a glorious state of Christ's kingdom upon earth.” Then chapter 12 starts back at the arrival of Christ, “the man child”. Then the rest of the book continues to the conclusion of the Revelation? So it seems like it is in three parts? That’s quite correct; because the Revelation actually is three separate prophecies covering the same period of 2000 plus years. It’s a biblical principal; Refer Deu 17:6; Deu 19:15; Mat 18:16 and 2Co 13:1 “..In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.” So God is telling us in three different ways what He has planed for our future. In so doing God has given us three prophetic witnesses! May I refer you to my talk entitled, REVELATION - What Might God DO Next .
Remember I talked about the prophecies regarding the beast with one head /seven heads /ten horns /three removed etc. and that they represent different periods of time in the history of the Roman Empire. We will look into this in more detail as we work through revelation 12, 13 and 17 etc. Revelation 12 represents The Pagan Roman Empire, Revelation 13 represents the papal Roman Empire and revelation 17 onward represents the decline and fall of the papal Roman Empire. So those three chapters cover a long period of time in history. Now let’s look at each chapter to see what was prophesied and if it is an accurate account of historical events.
Below is a classic chart from A. J. Ferris and it has been taken from one of his booklets. [Ref CN by AJFerris on The Book of Revelation Pt 2 Ferris, page 19]. It shows you each Gentile Empire represented by its “beast” as described in the book of Daniel Chapter 7. It also shows the progression of each Empires, the area each empire covered and its time of appearing in history and its duration. It also gives you a good visual idea of the changing of the beast, from the seven heads and seven crowns as in Rev 12; to the ten horns with ten crowns as in Rev 13. Refer below, [Slide#10]
(The ‘squiggle notes’ are a bonus from my dad, playing with the ‘Seven Times’ or 2520 years).
Historical View- The Woman: Rev 12
This prophecy represents the period of history of the pagan Roman Empire from the time of Christ to around 476AD when the Roman Empire fell to the barbarians. Let’s first look at the woman and pick out historical marks as we go. Rev 12:1 “And there appeared a great sign in the heavens, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head,” How often have you heard this statement? ‘In the bible a woman represents a church’. Then you are told that this woman represents the Christian church? And you will find they preach that, “the ‘woman’, the church was persecuted by the Romans etc”. Let’s stop right there and get that idea out of your head! If you follow the logic of that analogy, then you will find that, the woman, the Christian church, produced Christ? But it should be the other way around! Without Christ the church could not have come into existence!
Have you ever heard of these two horrible girls, Oholah and Oholibah? Eze 23:2 “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother. :3 And they fornicated in Egypt; they whored in their youth, .. :4 ..And their names: Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem is Oholibah. :5 And Oholah …lusted after her lovers, to her Assyrian neighbors, ..:9 Therefore I have given her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians on whom she lusted. :11 And her sister Oholibah saw, she was more corrupt in her lustfulness than she, and her fornications were greater than her sister's whoredom. :17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with fornications. And she was defiled with them, and her mind was alienated from them.” Who are these horrible women? They are Samaria and Jerusalem, capitol cities of nations, and they go a whoring after Assyria and Babylon, neighbouring nations, which had foreign gods. They do not represent churches; they represent the nations of Israel and Judah. To prove the point here is another one, 2Ki 19:21 “..The virgin, the daughter of Zion, has despised you and laughed you to scorn. The daughter of Jerusalem has shaken her head at you.” [Ref CN by John Wesley on 2 Kings 19:21] “Virgin - so he calls Zion, or Jerusalem; because she was pure in good measure from that gross idolatry wherewith other people were defiled, which is called spiritual whoredom: and to signify, that God would defend her from the rape which Sennacherib intended to commit upon her with no less care than parents do their virgin daughters from those who seek to force and deflower them.” So women in the bible DO NOT necessarily represent a church!
So let’s rethink this woman of Rev 12:1 “She was, clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars.” Well the twelve stars should be a give away for you! Let’s go back to Genesis where Joseph had some dreams. Gen 37:9 “And he dreamed ..and told ..his brothers. ..I have dreamed another dream. ..the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me. :10 And he told ..his father ..And his father rebuked him and said ..Shall I, and your mother, and your brothers ..bow ourselves ..before you?” Jacob interpreted the dream as representing the family of Israel. Jacob the sun; Rachel the moon; and Joseph’s eleven brothers, the stars. So the woman of Revelation 12 must represent the 12-tribe nation of Israel. And Israel ‘birthed’ Christ the Messiah into the world. Now that the analogy fits! So what was the rest of it? Rev 12:2 “and having a babe in womb, ..:4 ..the dragon stood before the woman ..So that when she bears he might devour her child. :5 And she bore a son, ..who is ..to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” But it is not speaking of Christ’s physical birth! But as Paul said speaking of Jesus in Colossians 1:18 “And He is the Head of the body, the church, ..the First-born from the dead..” And again in Rev 1:5 “even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead..” First-born from the dead is speaking of the resurrection. So in Rev 12, ‘the child that the woman bears’, can only refer to Christ, so that is a date mark for the start of the prophecy. So the prophecy is basically starting from the resurrection of Christ.
Also this is another very clear indication that the Futurist View is really quite WRONG! Because the Futurists believe that the Revelation is still all in the future. Therefore this following passage must still be in the future. Rev 12:5 “And she bore a son, ..who is ..to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” Think about it for a moment… doesn’t that mean that in the future there will be another boy born into the world and he will ALSO be caught up to God and to His throne and he will ALSO rule all nations with a rod of iron? So who then would be this fourth person of the God Head? I can’t see how anyone can believe the Futurist theory and not pick up on that one. And if you’re a Futurist believer and I have interpreted that wrong, please email me.
Have you ever noticed the woman seems to be in two separate groups? We’ll call them Group-A and Group-B.
This prophecy represents the period of history of the pagan Roman Empire from the time of Christ to around 476AD when the Roman Empire fell to the barbarians. Let’s first look at the woman and pick out historical marks as we go. Rev 12:1 “And there appeared a great sign in the heavens, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head,” How often have you heard this statement? ‘In the bible a woman represents a church’. Then you are told that this woman represents the Christian church? And you will find they preach that, “the ‘woman’, the church was persecuted by the Romans etc”. Let’s stop right there and get that idea out of your head! If you follow the logic of that analogy, then you will find that, the woman, the Christian church, produced Christ? But it should be the other way around! Without Christ the church could not have come into existence!
Have you ever heard of these two horrible girls, Oholah and Oholibah? Eze 23:2 “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother. :3 And they fornicated in Egypt; they whored in their youth, .. :4 ..And their names: Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem is Oholibah. :5 And Oholah …lusted after her lovers, to her Assyrian neighbors, ..:9 Therefore I have given her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians on whom she lusted. :11 And her sister Oholibah saw, she was more corrupt in her lustfulness than she, and her fornications were greater than her sister's whoredom. :17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with fornications. And she was defiled with them, and her mind was alienated from them.” Who are these horrible women? They are Samaria and Jerusalem, capitol cities of nations, and they go a whoring after Assyria and Babylon, neighbouring nations, which had foreign gods. They do not represent churches; they represent the nations of Israel and Judah. To prove the point here is another one, 2Ki 19:21 “..The virgin, the daughter of Zion, has despised you and laughed you to scorn. The daughter of Jerusalem has shaken her head at you.” [Ref CN by John Wesley on 2 Kings 19:21] “Virgin - so he calls Zion, or Jerusalem; because she was pure in good measure from that gross idolatry wherewith other people were defiled, which is called spiritual whoredom: and to signify, that God would defend her from the rape which Sennacherib intended to commit upon her with no less care than parents do their virgin daughters from those who seek to force and deflower them.” So women in the bible DO NOT necessarily represent a church!
So let’s rethink this woman of Rev 12:1 “She was, clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars.” Well the twelve stars should be a give away for you! Let’s go back to Genesis where Joseph had some dreams. Gen 37:9 “And he dreamed ..and told ..his brothers. ..I have dreamed another dream. ..the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me. :10 And he told ..his father ..And his father rebuked him and said ..Shall I, and your mother, and your brothers ..bow ourselves ..before you?” Jacob interpreted the dream as representing the family of Israel. Jacob the sun; Rachel the moon; and Joseph’s eleven brothers, the stars. So the woman of Revelation 12 must represent the 12-tribe nation of Israel. And Israel ‘birthed’ Christ the Messiah into the world. Now that the analogy fits! So what was the rest of it? Rev 12:2 “and having a babe in womb, ..:4 ..the dragon stood before the woman ..So that when she bears he might devour her child. :5 And she bore a son, ..who is ..to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” But it is not speaking of Christ’s physical birth! But as Paul said speaking of Jesus in Colossians 1:18 “And He is the Head of the body, the church, ..the First-born from the dead..” And again in Rev 1:5 “even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead..” First-born from the dead is speaking of the resurrection. So in Rev 12, ‘the child that the woman bears’, can only refer to Christ, so that is a date mark for the start of the prophecy. So the prophecy is basically starting from the resurrection of Christ.
Also this is another very clear indication that the Futurist View is really quite WRONG! Because the Futurists believe that the Revelation is still all in the future. Therefore this following passage must still be in the future. Rev 12:5 “And she bore a son, ..who is ..to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” Think about it for a moment… doesn’t that mean that in the future there will be another boy born into the world and he will ALSO be caught up to God and to His throne and he will ALSO rule all nations with a rod of iron? So who then would be this fourth person of the God Head? I can’t see how anyone can believe the Futurist theory and not pick up on that one. And if you’re a Futurist believer and I have interpreted that wrong, please email me.
Have you ever noticed the woman seems to be in two separate groups? We’ll call them Group-A and Group-B.
·
Group-A Rev 12:6 “And the
woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God,
so that they might nourish her there a thousand, two hundred and sixty
days.” (Then verses 7 to
12 tell us there was war in Heaven, the dragon turned on the woman etc. and
we’ll talk about that later). Rev 12:13 “And ..the dragon ..persecuted the woman.. :14 And two wings of a
great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the
wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a
time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face. :15 ..the
serpent cast out ..like a flood ..that he might cause her to be carried away..
:16 ..the earth helped the woman ..and swallowed up the river..” Basically the dragon or serpent tries to
attack the woman and fails, so he turns his anger on the other part of the
woman; group B.
· Group-B :17 "And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”. Does that seem like two groups to you?
First let me show you this. Israel at the time of the captivities consisted of two separate nations. Everyone knows the Daniel stories! They were the Jews, also called, the Southern Kingdom; the House of Judah, (two tribes, consisting of Judah and Benjamin plus some Levites). They were carried off to Babylon. But some 130 years before hand, the Northern Kingdom, the House of Israel, (and the bible always called them Israel or Jacob and sometimes Ephraim), they were taken captive to, “the cities of the Medes” 2Ki 17:6 & 2Ki 18:11, in the year 721BC. Also refer 2Ki 17:23 “So Israel was carried away out of their own land to Assyria until this day”. [Ref chart ACCH]. After Israel was taken captive, some Eight hundred years later in 70AD, Josephus was writing at about the time of Christ and also during the fall of Jerusalem. He says ALL Israel remained in Media! [Refer AOTJ (via e-Sword/ Reference Library/‘Antiquities of The Jews’, book 11 chapter 5 verse 2)]. NB: Ezra equals Esdras; ‘he had received an epistle from the King.’ And ‘Iomans’ equals Romans.
“So he read the epistle at Babylon to those Jews that were there; but he kept the epistle itself, and sent a copy of it to all those of his OWN NATION (Jews) that were in Media. And when
these Jews had understood what piety the king had towards God, and what kindness
he had for Esdras, they were all greatly pleased; nay, many of them took their
effects with them, and came to Babylon, as very desirous of going
down to Jerusalem; but then the entire body of the people of Israel
remained in that
country; wherefore there are but two tribes
in Asia and Europe subject
to the Iomans, while the ten tribes are
beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be
estimated by numbers.”
So at the time of Josephus, in 70AD, you clearly have two separate groups within the 12 tribes. And they are in two different locations! Israel the Northern Kingdom is well out of the reach of the Romans and I would call them Group-A. And Group-B is under the thumb of the Romans, 'two tribes in Asia and Europe', and we know that they were the Jews converting to Christianity, “who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".
Group-A: have the following features: - 1/ She fled into the wilderness, (from Thayer: solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited) place, so it’s not a desert. 2/ She had a place prepared by God, where she has gone and it’s called “her place”. 3/ A place where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time. 4/ And she is away from the serpent's face. That sounds like God has put her safely out of reach from the serpent! Consider this, have you ever read this passage and wondered what is God talking about? 2Sa 7:10 “And I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them so that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more. Neither shall the sons of wickedness afflict them any more, as before”. Again this sounds like God has put Israel the Northern Kingdom safely well out of the reach of the Romans. As for the “time and times and half a time”? It is a period of 1260 prophetic days, equal to 1260 years of fulfilled prophecy. May I suggest you go to one of my other talks entitled: - British Israel - 1.01 [For Beginners].
Group-B: have the following features: - From Rev 12:17 “they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” That sounds like Christians to me! But who were they? From Josephus we can tell that they were the Jews, also called the Southern Kingdom or the house of Judah, 'two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans’. They came back to Judah, as in Ezra 2:1 “the children ..of the captivity .. came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city”. So that sounds like they are those to whom the dragon “went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ". Putting all that together, that sounds like they were the Jews that converted to Christianity under the teaching of Peter and the disciples. Joining them as Paul said “grafted in’ was a new group: -
So at the time of Josephus, in 70AD, you clearly have two separate groups within the 12 tribes. And they are in two different locations! Israel the Northern Kingdom is well out of the reach of the Romans and I would call them Group-A. And Group-B is under the thumb of the Romans, 'two tribes in Asia and Europe', and we know that they were the Jews converting to Christianity, “who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".
Group-A: have the following features: - 1/ She fled into the wilderness, (from Thayer: solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited) place, so it’s not a desert. 2/ She had a place prepared by God, where she has gone and it’s called “her place”. 3/ A place where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time. 4/ And she is away from the serpent's face. That sounds like God has put her safely out of reach from the serpent! Consider this, have you ever read this passage and wondered what is God talking about? 2Sa 7:10 “And I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them so that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more. Neither shall the sons of wickedness afflict them any more, as before”. Again this sounds like God has put Israel the Northern Kingdom safely well out of the reach of the Romans. As for the “time and times and half a time”? It is a period of 1260 prophetic days, equal to 1260 years of fulfilled prophecy. May I suggest you go to one of my other talks entitled: - British Israel - 1.01 [For Beginners].
Group-B: have the following features: - From Rev 12:17 “they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” That sounds like Christians to me! But who were they? From Josephus we can tell that they were the Jews, also called the Southern Kingdom or the house of Judah, 'two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans’. They came back to Judah, as in Ezra 2:1 “the children ..of the captivity .. came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city”. So that sounds like they are those to whom the dragon “went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ". Putting all that together, that sounds like they were the Jews that converted to Christianity under the teaching of Peter and the disciples. Joining them as Paul said “grafted in’ was a new group: -
Group-C: Paul was reaching out to another group, the
gentiles. So does that help explain the woman of Revelation 12?
Historical View- The Red Dragon: Rev 12
Now refer Revelation 12:3 “And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads!” Most commentators recognize the ‘red dragon’ was a symbol of the pagan Roman Empire. [Ref CN by Adam Clarke on Rev 12:3] “But it may be asked why the Spirit of God should represent the heathen Roman empire as a dragon, …The answer is as follows; In the eighth chapter of the Prophet Daniel, God has represented the kingdom of the Greeks by a he-goat, for no other apparent reason than this, that it was the national military standard of the Grecian monarchy; we may therefore expect that the pagan Roman empire is called a Dragon on a similar account. In confirmation of this point it is very remarkable that the dragon was the principal standard of the Romans next to the eagle, in the second, third, fourth, and fifth centuries of the Christian era. Of this we have abundant evidence in the writings of both heathens and Christians. …The heathen Roman empire is called a Red dragon; and accordingly we find from the testimony of ancient writers that the dragon standards of the Romans were painted red.”
Seven Heads: Remember in Daniel 7:6 he saw, “a leopard, which ..had four heads..”, and we know this represented the structure of the Greek Empire divided into four separate regions. In the history of Rome, we can see she had seven different forms of government. [Ref CN by Adam Clarke on Rev 12:3] “Having seven heads - As the dragon is an emblem of the heathen Roman power, its heads must denote heathen forms of government. ..These were exactly seven, and are enumerated by Tacitus (Annal., lib. i., in principio). From this passage it is evident to every person well acquainted with the Roman history, that the seven forms of government in the heathen Roman world were: - 1/ The regal power; 2/ The consulate; 3/ The dictatorship; 4/ The decemvirate; 5/ The consular power of the military tribunes; 6/ The triumvirate; and, 7/ The imperial government.” It is singular that commentators in general, in their citation of this passage, have taken no notice of the triumvirate, a form of government.” Also [Ref CN by John Gill on Rev 12:3], John Gill mentions ‘seven’ forms of government but he includes ‘popes’. The analogy from Tacius makes better sense because the seven crowns were on the ‘the seven heads’, not on the ‘ten horns’, so each of the heads had regale or imperial power. But during the time of the popes, the ‘Ten Horns’ represented the ten kings of Europe, and those ‘Ten’ had the regale power
The Ten Horns: I have spoken about this earlier in the talk entitled, “OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”, under the heading, “Historical View- The Beast Of Daniel 7”. “Between 167 BC and 30 BC, (just before Christ appeared), Rome gathered in other nation by conquest. ..[Ref CN by Matthew Henry on Dan 7:7] “the Roman empire, which, when it was in its glory, comprehended ten kingdoms, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Britain, Sarmatia, Pannonia, Asia, Greece, and Egypt”. ‘When it was in its glory’, that means before its fall in 476AD. So the beast of Rev 12 represents that same period up to 476AD, so the ‘Ten Horns’ represent those ten nations absorbed into the pagan Roman Empire and not independent Kingdoms as yet. And if they were independent Kingdoms the beast would have been represented with crowns on the Ten Horns!
Third Part Of The Stars: Rev 12:4 “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth.” There are four points here, they are: - ‘the stars’, ‘cast to earth’, ‘his third’ and ‘the tail’. Let’s first look at Stars and Cast; they’re obviously not the literal stars cast down to earth, if so we would be obliterated! [Ref CN by Robert Hawker on Rev 12:1-6] “stars always, when figuratively used in scripture mean, principalities and powers”. I believe that since John was observing things in the spirit realm, the stars represent the principalities and powers in the spirit realm. As Paul said in Eph 6:12 “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world's rulers, of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Also you have Gabriel’s excuses for being late in, Dan 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days..” So logically these demonic principalities, or stars, rule the nation that have been ‘given’ to them by Satan, as in Luke 4:6, the devil said to Jesus “All this power I will give you”. So if the ‘star’ falls so does the nation it managed. Hence the expression, ‘cast them onto the earth’.
Now the Third and Tail? It would be logical to look for other passages that use the phrase ‘third’. So here are a couple of commentaries. [Ref CN by B.W. Johnson on Rev 12:3-4] “And his tail drew a third part of the stars. ..We have found under the, (Revelation), 8th and 9th chapters that the old Roman world was divided into three parts, that the term third part was used of these divisions.” also [Ref CN by John Gill On Revelation 12:4] “the subduing of the third part of the principalities, states, and kingdoms of the known world, to the Roman empire, through its great power and strength; which lay in its tail, in its train of armies which attended it, whereby such a number of nations were drawn into subjection to it, insomuch that the empire was called all the world, Luk 2:1;” John Gill speaks of its tail as a ‘train of armies’. Look at the history of the four great empires and how they managed the nations they conquered. The Assyrians, Babylon’s and the Meds &Persians all seem to conquer and move people around. Hoping the newly settled people would be grateful, and then peace would exist. The Greeks tried to expand and incorporate by intermarriage. The Romans seem to have a belligerent approach and force the conquered to become Roman. So they sent out garrison forces from Rome to the frontier to police the conquered nations. Which is an apt example of a ‘tail’ stretching out behind them. Rome’s vast army eventually caused it to go bankrupt.
War In Heaven: Rev 12:7-9 “..there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. ..the dragon and his angels warred, 8 but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more. 9 ..the ..dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, ..cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out”.
Question: When do you think this happens, or has it already happened? Over the years I’ve heard dozens of preachers say something like, “What a glorious day when Satan eventually gets kicked out of heaven! Why in future tense? Ferris thinks it references to 476AD when Constantine kicked out the pagan powers. But think about it, we see here in scripture that Satan and his angels at some particular time get cast out of Heaven. So why didn’t God kick him out long ago at the fall, thousands of years ago? In verse 10, Satan is called the ‘accuser of our brothers’, and we see him in Job 1:6-11, bad mouthing Job, (accusing Job), in front of God. Satan is just like a District Attorney in the High Court of Heaven. He has all the evidence against us; telling the final Judge, who is God, we are as guilty as sin! Which we are! But God still loves us. Rom 5:8 “But God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us”. So why would God put up with him if He CAN ultimately cast him out? Why wait?
Here’s a simple example in real life. When you find out that one of your senior executives is up to no good, what would you do? In my father’s company, at the senior management level, the General Manager, Sir Elton Griffin had a system called ‘the taxi treatment!’ So that there was no chance of industrial espionage, they would call a taxi. When it arrived, the GM called the culprit into his office. They were told; “You have 5 minutes to clear your office and leave the premises!” Dad told me on one occasion, a taxi arrived, and then someone was called into the Managers office. That fellow calmly walked out of the Managers office, he gave his secretary some stuff to type up, and said, “it’s a special occasion for my wife today; she’ll be here in a few minutes and I am taking her out to celebrate.” So everyone thought that it wasn’t him who was being dismissed. So the taxi just sat there! And everyone else in the office went into panic mode, wondering who’s going to get the sack! The point is you get rid of the villain ASAP.
So why did God take so long? Well, have you ever read this passage? Rom 11:29 “For the free gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” God had given Lucifer an important job. We see this in Eze 28:13-14 “You have been in Eden the garden of God; ..14 You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I had put you in the holy height of God where you were.” So God would be going against His own righteousness, to turn around and take that commission away from Satan. Then we read Rev 12:10 “ ..Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.” It is not until the Messiah turns up with the power and authority to defeat Satan that there was a change. So my thought is that the war in heaven happened immediately after Christ had risen from the dead. Michael and his angels, like a police force with a ‘Warrant Of Arrest’, now had the authority to state the power of the blood and the testimony of Christ, which Satan could not refute! Hence Michael and his heavies could round up Satan and his mob, and BOOT them out of heaven, down to earth! Rev 12:11 “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony.” The rest of that verse, “And they did not love their soul until death”, is in reference to the earthly Christians who can also claim the “blood and the testimony of Christ.”
Rev 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, ..Woe to the inhabitants of the earth ..For the Devil came down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time.” He has but a little time? You might think if he’s been down here for nearly 2000 years, why the term, ‘but a little time? Well, I think from Satan’s perspective he must have thought he had God over a barrel. All he had to do was wait till the prophesied Messiah physically appears on earth as a mere human! Satan can then destroy Him, then things would continue as usual for eternity! Satan must have thought he knew Gods plans and he knew the prophecies. But God outwitted him! God sent His own Sinless Son to willingly die? I don’t think we can possibly imagine the shock and horror that struck Satan when he realised he now has a dead bloke down in his own back yard, BUT He is without SIN, Oh NO! Satan would have the fright of his life thinking; ‘I’ve got absolutely nothing against Him to hold Him down! Now He’s inside my Fortress-Hell and tearing it into tiny little pieces!’ Then God plays His ‘Trump-Card’, and raises The Messiah from the dead! Now The Messiah is not limited as human nature, but He is omnipresent, everywhere at the same time! So then the rest of God’s plans are running like a well-oiled machine, unstoppable! Satan’s been kicked out of heaven, so Satan must realise that he has, ‘but a little time!’
Let’s close with the rest of the chapter. Rev 12:13-16 “ ..he persecuted the woman.. 14 ..two wings of a great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face. 15 ..the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, ..to be carried away by the river. 16 ..the earth ..swallowed up the river.” What is this ‘two wings of a great eagle’? I have looked at a few commentaries and they always seem to try to come back to the idea that the woman represents the church, and how some symbolic wings divinely protected her during the Pagan Roman persecutions. Which is then a contradiction with verse 17 “ ..the dragon was enraged ..and went to make war with the rest of her seed." etc. These people with the testimony of Jesus are obviously Christians, and above I called them Group-B. And we know enough from history about the Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, under the pagan Roman ‘Dragon’. Christians being feed to the lions, impaling them on post, then setting on fire to light the streets at night and other such horrors. Also you can find more info, [Via e-Sword, Ref CN in FoxBM On Chapter 2] “The Ten Primitive Persecutions: ‘The First Persecution, Under Nero, A.D. 67”, and Fox continues through to the, “The Tenth Persecution, Under Diocletian, A.D. 303” But what about the ‘two wings of a great eagle’?
Two Wings: Bear with me here please. I have an old book entitled, “The Post-Captivity Names Of Israel”. By Rev. WM. Pascoe Goard, published 1934. He gives ample proofs that the House of Israel migrated north between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. They were known by different names, one of which was the Scythians. He tells you how they got their different names and why, by sighting the Behistun Rock Inscription, the Rosetta Stone and the writings of Herodotus etc. Herodotus visited the region of the Scythians and he describes them as a nomadic race, living in covered wagons amongst their cattle. Please read these two commentaries then I’ll give you a short quote from Herodotus and see if it fits the analogy of, “wings of a great eagle”. [Ref CN by Joseph Benson On Rev 12:13-17] “As God said to the children of Israel, (Exo 19:4,) Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings,..” [Ref CN by Albert Barnes On Rev 12:14] “The most powerful of birds, and among the most rapid in flight. See the notes on Rev 4:7. The meaning here is, that the woman is represented as prepared for a rapid flight; so prepared as to be able to outstrip her pursuer, and to reach a place of safety”.
The quote from Herodotus: [Ref wiki Scythian Campaign Of Darius I], for information regarding dates of the campaign in 513BC. [Ref ACCH], for a visual of the history. [Ref ‘The Post-Captivity Names Of Israel’], by Pascoe Goard; starting at the bottom of page 79. Rev. Goard is quoting from Herodotus: - “Darius was unwise enough to try to overrun the Scythians. …The Scythians employed their usual tactics. They constantly outmarched, and retired before Darius and his forces, keeping ever one day’s march ahead. …At last wearied out, Darius sent messages to the King of the Scythians, demanding to know why he did not stand and fight, or make peace by surrender. The Scythian leader replied that such was not his purpose. He did not retreat because of fear, but to wear out his enemy. But he sent to him an emissary bearing a bird, a mouse, a frog, a bunch of arrows. This was interpreted to mean that unless the armies of Darius took to the air like a bird, tunnelled into the ground like a mouse, or leaped into the water like a frog, they would never escape the arrows of the Scythians. They had no cities to defend; no wealth to lose, and no obstacle to a wearing-out conflict, which would destroy the armies of Darius.”
With the Scythians being identified as the Group-A of the women Israel, can you now see the analogy by Barnes of the ‘two wings of a great eagle’, “as prepared for a rapid flight; so prepared as to be able to outstrip her pursuer.” Also verse 15 “ ..the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, ..to be carried away by the river. :16 ..the earth ..swallowed up the river.” This is true in this case around 513BC, but it is also true earlier when the Romans tried to expand north and eastward. The nations between the Roman forces and the Northern Israel-Scythians seem to just swallow up the Roman forces.
As regarding the phrase, “where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face.” You need to do a study of things like; ‘the dispensation period’, ‘the seven times punishment’ of Leviticus 26:18-28’, or ‘the times of the gentiles which is 2520 years’ [Ref CN by Jamieson-Fausset-Brown on Dan 12:11] “Forty-five years more end in 1867, the end of “the times of the Gentiles.” See Lev 26:24, “seven times,” that is, 7 X 360, or 2520 years”. Or [Ref CN by Jamieson-Fausset-Brown on Rev 11:2] “The world power’s times never reach the sacred fullness of seven times three hundred sixty, that is, 2520, though they approach to it in 2300 (Dan 8:14).” Or [Ref CN by Preacher's Homiletical on Daniel 7:8] “Some students of prophecy see in the term “times,” &c, the half of the period of Nebuchadnezzar’s humiliation and insanity, symbolical of the time (2520 years) during which the covenant people should be under the dominion of the Gentile monarchies as the chastisement of their unfaithfulness.”
My thought is, and you can find this in, [Ref CN by A. J. Ferris in The Book of Revelation Pt 2 Ferris page 13] 10-Tribe-Israel was migrating across northern Europe and found their way into the British Isles by about 530AD. That was about half way through their Seven-Times punishment. From that time on they were well protected from Roman and barbarian conflicts. She was then nourished for a time and times and half a time. Also [Ref ACCH], find ‘721BC’, which is the date of the last of three deportations of the Israel to Assyria. Add 2520 years brings us to 1800, which was the end of the seven times punishment, also when the nourishing time should finish. Israel should then start to ‘spread her wing’; so to speak and come into the blessings that God had promised them. In accordance with the Crossed Hand Blessing of Gen 48:14-19 “Manasseh to be a great peoples, the USA; and Ephraim's to become a multitude of nations, the British Commonwealth.”
You can do your own study as to where when you think the, ‘time of the nourishing’ fits. I believe it is the Anglo-Saxon people tucked away in Britain for centuries! Because if you refer to 2 Sam 7:10 KJV “Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.” If you think ‘Israel’ in that passage is referring to the Jews, then God has failed dismally! They have been kicked from ‘pilar to post’ for centuries. They have never had a place of their own till very recently. And they are constantly afflicted. I don’t think you can apply that to any other location than the British Isles and the USA. But if you can come up with a better explanation by all means send me an email.
In the next talk entitled, “Historical View- The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13” we theoretically should find, The ‘One World Government’ because we have the antichrist and the ‘Ten Kings’ all together at the same time! Revelation 13 represents the period of history from the fall of Imperial Rome, through the rise of the papal Roman Empire to its peak in 1866! So lets go to that now.
Hope you found that interesting and that I have explained everything well enough. If you have any comments by all means let me know your thoughts in the comments!
Historical View- The Red Dragon: Rev 12
Now refer Revelation 12:3 “And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads!” Most commentators recognize the ‘red dragon’ was a symbol of the pagan Roman Empire. [Ref CN by Adam Clarke on Rev 12:3] “But it may be asked why the Spirit of God should represent the heathen Roman empire as a dragon, …The answer is as follows; In the eighth chapter of the Prophet Daniel, God has represented the kingdom of the Greeks by a he-goat, for no other apparent reason than this, that it was the national military standard of the Grecian monarchy; we may therefore expect that the pagan Roman empire is called a Dragon on a similar account. In confirmation of this point it is very remarkable that the dragon was the principal standard of the Romans next to the eagle, in the second, third, fourth, and fifth centuries of the Christian era. Of this we have abundant evidence in the writings of both heathens and Christians. …The heathen Roman empire is called a Red dragon; and accordingly we find from the testimony of ancient writers that the dragon standards of the Romans were painted red.”
Seven Heads: Remember in Daniel 7:6 he saw, “a leopard, which ..had four heads..”, and we know this represented the structure of the Greek Empire divided into four separate regions. In the history of Rome, we can see she had seven different forms of government. [Ref CN by Adam Clarke on Rev 12:3] “Having seven heads - As the dragon is an emblem of the heathen Roman power, its heads must denote heathen forms of government. ..These were exactly seven, and are enumerated by Tacitus (Annal., lib. i., in principio). From this passage it is evident to every person well acquainted with the Roman history, that the seven forms of government in the heathen Roman world were: - 1/ The regal power; 2/ The consulate; 3/ The dictatorship; 4/ The decemvirate; 5/ The consular power of the military tribunes; 6/ The triumvirate; and, 7/ The imperial government.” It is singular that commentators in general, in their citation of this passage, have taken no notice of the triumvirate, a form of government.” Also [Ref CN by John Gill on Rev 12:3], John Gill mentions ‘seven’ forms of government but he includes ‘popes’. The analogy from Tacius makes better sense because the seven crowns were on the ‘the seven heads’, not on the ‘ten horns’, so each of the heads had regale or imperial power. But during the time of the popes, the ‘Ten Horns’ represented the ten kings of Europe, and those ‘Ten’ had the regale power
The Ten Horns: I have spoken about this earlier in the talk entitled, “OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”, under the heading, “Historical View- The Beast Of Daniel 7”. “Between 167 BC and 30 BC, (just before Christ appeared), Rome gathered in other nation by conquest. ..[Ref CN by Matthew Henry on Dan 7:7] “the Roman empire, which, when it was in its glory, comprehended ten kingdoms, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Britain, Sarmatia, Pannonia, Asia, Greece, and Egypt”. ‘When it was in its glory’, that means before its fall in 476AD. So the beast of Rev 12 represents that same period up to 476AD, so the ‘Ten Horns’ represent those ten nations absorbed into the pagan Roman Empire and not independent Kingdoms as yet. And if they were independent Kingdoms the beast would have been represented with crowns on the Ten Horns!
Third Part Of The Stars: Rev 12:4 “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth.” There are four points here, they are: - ‘the stars’, ‘cast to earth’, ‘his third’ and ‘the tail’. Let’s first look at Stars and Cast; they’re obviously not the literal stars cast down to earth, if so we would be obliterated! [Ref CN by Robert Hawker on Rev 12:1-6] “stars always, when figuratively used in scripture mean, principalities and powers”. I believe that since John was observing things in the spirit realm, the stars represent the principalities and powers in the spirit realm. As Paul said in Eph 6:12 “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world's rulers, of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Also you have Gabriel’s excuses for being late in, Dan 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days..” So logically these demonic principalities, or stars, rule the nation that have been ‘given’ to them by Satan, as in Luke 4:6, the devil said to Jesus “All this power I will give you”. So if the ‘star’ falls so does the nation it managed. Hence the expression, ‘cast them onto the earth’.
Now the Third and Tail? It would be logical to look for other passages that use the phrase ‘third’. So here are a couple of commentaries. [Ref CN by B.W. Johnson on Rev 12:3-4] “And his tail drew a third part of the stars. ..We have found under the, (Revelation), 8th and 9th chapters that the old Roman world was divided into three parts, that the term third part was used of these divisions.” also [Ref CN by John Gill On Revelation 12:4] “the subduing of the third part of the principalities, states, and kingdoms of the known world, to the Roman empire, through its great power and strength; which lay in its tail, in its train of armies which attended it, whereby such a number of nations were drawn into subjection to it, insomuch that the empire was called all the world, Luk 2:1;” John Gill speaks of its tail as a ‘train of armies’. Look at the history of the four great empires and how they managed the nations they conquered. The Assyrians, Babylon’s and the Meds &Persians all seem to conquer and move people around. Hoping the newly settled people would be grateful, and then peace would exist. The Greeks tried to expand and incorporate by intermarriage. The Romans seem to have a belligerent approach and force the conquered to become Roman. So they sent out garrison forces from Rome to the frontier to police the conquered nations. Which is an apt example of a ‘tail’ stretching out behind them. Rome’s vast army eventually caused it to go bankrupt.
War In Heaven: Rev 12:7-9 “..there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. ..the dragon and his angels warred, 8 but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more. 9 ..the ..dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, ..cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out”.
Question: When do you think this happens, or has it already happened? Over the years I’ve heard dozens of preachers say something like, “What a glorious day when Satan eventually gets kicked out of heaven! Why in future tense? Ferris thinks it references to 476AD when Constantine kicked out the pagan powers. But think about it, we see here in scripture that Satan and his angels at some particular time get cast out of Heaven. So why didn’t God kick him out long ago at the fall, thousands of years ago? In verse 10, Satan is called the ‘accuser of our brothers’, and we see him in Job 1:6-11, bad mouthing Job, (accusing Job), in front of God. Satan is just like a District Attorney in the High Court of Heaven. He has all the evidence against us; telling the final Judge, who is God, we are as guilty as sin! Which we are! But God still loves us. Rom 5:8 “But God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us”. So why would God put up with him if He CAN ultimately cast him out? Why wait?
Here’s a simple example in real life. When you find out that one of your senior executives is up to no good, what would you do? In my father’s company, at the senior management level, the General Manager, Sir Elton Griffin had a system called ‘the taxi treatment!’ So that there was no chance of industrial espionage, they would call a taxi. When it arrived, the GM called the culprit into his office. They were told; “You have 5 minutes to clear your office and leave the premises!” Dad told me on one occasion, a taxi arrived, and then someone was called into the Managers office. That fellow calmly walked out of the Managers office, he gave his secretary some stuff to type up, and said, “it’s a special occasion for my wife today; she’ll be here in a few minutes and I am taking her out to celebrate.” So everyone thought that it wasn’t him who was being dismissed. So the taxi just sat there! And everyone else in the office went into panic mode, wondering who’s going to get the sack! The point is you get rid of the villain ASAP.
So why did God take so long? Well, have you ever read this passage? Rom 11:29 “For the free gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” God had given Lucifer an important job. We see this in Eze 28:13-14 “You have been in Eden the garden of God; ..14 You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I had put you in the holy height of God where you were.” So God would be going against His own righteousness, to turn around and take that commission away from Satan. Then we read Rev 12:10 “ ..Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.” It is not until the Messiah turns up with the power and authority to defeat Satan that there was a change. So my thought is that the war in heaven happened immediately after Christ had risen from the dead. Michael and his angels, like a police force with a ‘Warrant Of Arrest’, now had the authority to state the power of the blood and the testimony of Christ, which Satan could not refute! Hence Michael and his heavies could round up Satan and his mob, and BOOT them out of heaven, down to earth! Rev 12:11 “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony.” The rest of that verse, “And they did not love their soul until death”, is in reference to the earthly Christians who can also claim the “blood and the testimony of Christ.”
Rev 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, ..Woe to the inhabitants of the earth ..For the Devil came down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time.” He has but a little time? You might think if he’s been down here for nearly 2000 years, why the term, ‘but a little time? Well, I think from Satan’s perspective he must have thought he had God over a barrel. All he had to do was wait till the prophesied Messiah physically appears on earth as a mere human! Satan can then destroy Him, then things would continue as usual for eternity! Satan must have thought he knew Gods plans and he knew the prophecies. But God outwitted him! God sent His own Sinless Son to willingly die? I don’t think we can possibly imagine the shock and horror that struck Satan when he realised he now has a dead bloke down in his own back yard, BUT He is without SIN, Oh NO! Satan would have the fright of his life thinking; ‘I’ve got absolutely nothing against Him to hold Him down! Now He’s inside my Fortress-Hell and tearing it into tiny little pieces!’ Then God plays His ‘Trump-Card’, and raises The Messiah from the dead! Now The Messiah is not limited as human nature, but He is omnipresent, everywhere at the same time! So then the rest of God’s plans are running like a well-oiled machine, unstoppable! Satan’s been kicked out of heaven, so Satan must realise that he has, ‘but a little time!’
Let’s close with the rest of the chapter. Rev 12:13-16 “ ..he persecuted the woman.. 14 ..two wings of a great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face. 15 ..the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, ..to be carried away by the river. 16 ..the earth ..swallowed up the river.” What is this ‘two wings of a great eagle’? I have looked at a few commentaries and they always seem to try to come back to the idea that the woman represents the church, and how some symbolic wings divinely protected her during the Pagan Roman persecutions. Which is then a contradiction with verse 17 “ ..the dragon was enraged ..and went to make war with the rest of her seed." etc. These people with the testimony of Jesus are obviously Christians, and above I called them Group-B. And we know enough from history about the Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, under the pagan Roman ‘Dragon’. Christians being feed to the lions, impaling them on post, then setting on fire to light the streets at night and other such horrors. Also you can find more info, [Via e-Sword, Ref CN in FoxBM On Chapter 2] “The Ten Primitive Persecutions: ‘The First Persecution, Under Nero, A.D. 67”, and Fox continues through to the, “The Tenth Persecution, Under Diocletian, A.D. 303” But what about the ‘two wings of a great eagle’?
Two Wings: Bear with me here please. I have an old book entitled, “The Post-Captivity Names Of Israel”. By Rev. WM. Pascoe Goard, published 1934. He gives ample proofs that the House of Israel migrated north between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. They were known by different names, one of which was the Scythians. He tells you how they got their different names and why, by sighting the Behistun Rock Inscription, the Rosetta Stone and the writings of Herodotus etc. Herodotus visited the region of the Scythians and he describes them as a nomadic race, living in covered wagons amongst their cattle. Please read these two commentaries then I’ll give you a short quote from Herodotus and see if it fits the analogy of, “wings of a great eagle”. [Ref CN by Joseph Benson On Rev 12:13-17] “As God said to the children of Israel, (Exo 19:4,) Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings,..” [Ref CN by Albert Barnes On Rev 12:14] “The most powerful of birds, and among the most rapid in flight. See the notes on Rev 4:7. The meaning here is, that the woman is represented as prepared for a rapid flight; so prepared as to be able to outstrip her pursuer, and to reach a place of safety”.
The quote from Herodotus: [Ref wiki Scythian Campaign Of Darius I], for information regarding dates of the campaign in 513BC. [Ref ACCH], for a visual of the history. [Ref ‘The Post-Captivity Names Of Israel’], by Pascoe Goard; starting at the bottom of page 79. Rev. Goard is quoting from Herodotus: - “Darius was unwise enough to try to overrun the Scythians. …The Scythians employed their usual tactics. They constantly outmarched, and retired before Darius and his forces, keeping ever one day’s march ahead. …At last wearied out, Darius sent messages to the King of the Scythians, demanding to know why he did not stand and fight, or make peace by surrender. The Scythian leader replied that such was not his purpose. He did not retreat because of fear, but to wear out his enemy. But he sent to him an emissary bearing a bird, a mouse, a frog, a bunch of arrows. This was interpreted to mean that unless the armies of Darius took to the air like a bird, tunnelled into the ground like a mouse, or leaped into the water like a frog, they would never escape the arrows of the Scythians. They had no cities to defend; no wealth to lose, and no obstacle to a wearing-out conflict, which would destroy the armies of Darius.”
With the Scythians being identified as the Group-A of the women Israel, can you now see the analogy by Barnes of the ‘two wings of a great eagle’, “as prepared for a rapid flight; so prepared as to be able to outstrip her pursuer.” Also verse 15 “ ..the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, ..to be carried away by the river. :16 ..the earth ..swallowed up the river.” This is true in this case around 513BC, but it is also true earlier when the Romans tried to expand north and eastward. The nations between the Roman forces and the Northern Israel-Scythians seem to just swallow up the Roman forces.
As regarding the phrase, “where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face.” You need to do a study of things like; ‘the dispensation period’, ‘the seven times punishment’ of Leviticus 26:18-28’, or ‘the times of the gentiles which is 2520 years’ [Ref CN by Jamieson-Fausset-Brown on Dan 12:11] “Forty-five years more end in 1867, the end of “the times of the Gentiles.” See Lev 26:24, “seven times,” that is, 7 X 360, or 2520 years”. Or [Ref CN by Jamieson-Fausset-Brown on Rev 11:2] “The world power’s times never reach the sacred fullness of seven times three hundred sixty, that is, 2520, though they approach to it in 2300 (Dan 8:14).” Or [Ref CN by Preacher's Homiletical on Daniel 7:8] “Some students of prophecy see in the term “times,” &c, the half of the period of Nebuchadnezzar’s humiliation and insanity, symbolical of the time (2520 years) during which the covenant people should be under the dominion of the Gentile monarchies as the chastisement of their unfaithfulness.”
My thought is, and you can find this in, [Ref CN by A. J. Ferris in The Book of Revelation Pt 2 Ferris page 13] 10-Tribe-Israel was migrating across northern Europe and found their way into the British Isles by about 530AD. That was about half way through their Seven-Times punishment. From that time on they were well protected from Roman and barbarian conflicts. She was then nourished for a time and times and half a time. Also [Ref ACCH], find ‘721BC’, which is the date of the last of three deportations of the Israel to Assyria. Add 2520 years brings us to 1800, which was the end of the seven times punishment, also when the nourishing time should finish. Israel should then start to ‘spread her wing’; so to speak and come into the blessings that God had promised them. In accordance with the Crossed Hand Blessing of Gen 48:14-19 “Manasseh to be a great peoples, the USA; and Ephraim's to become a multitude of nations, the British Commonwealth.”
You can do your own study as to where when you think the, ‘time of the nourishing’ fits. I believe it is the Anglo-Saxon people tucked away in Britain for centuries! Because if you refer to 2 Sam 7:10 KJV “Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.” If you think ‘Israel’ in that passage is referring to the Jews, then God has failed dismally! They have been kicked from ‘pilar to post’ for centuries. They have never had a place of their own till very recently. And they are constantly afflicted. I don’t think you can apply that to any other location than the British Isles and the USA. But if you can come up with a better explanation by all means send me an email.
In the next talk entitled, “Historical View- The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13” we theoretically should find, The ‘One World Government’ because we have the antichrist and the ‘Ten Kings’ all together at the same time! Revelation 13 represents the period of history from the fall of Imperial Rome, through the rise of the papal Roman Empire to its peak in 1866! So lets go to that now.
Hope you found that interesting and that I have explained everything well enough. If you have any comments by all means let me know your thoughts in the comments!
Again here is a list of the ALL the related ‘Short Papers’ on the “OWG”.. The One World Government Study: -
OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government
OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings
OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7
OWG4 FV - The Time of the End
OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning
OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”
OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7
OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist?
OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
OWG10 HV - The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13
OWG11 HV - The Harlot Astride The Beast Rev 17
OWG12 HV - The Fall of Babylon Rev 18
GBY (God Bless Ya) Yours Adrian DEACON
OWG1 FV - The Origin Of The One World Government
OWG2 FV - The Ten Toes, Horns Or Kings
OWG3 FV - The Little Horn Dan 7
OWG4 FV - The Time of the End
OWG5 HV - The Historical View Reasoning
OWG6 HV - The “Ten, Toes, Horns, Kings”
OWG7 HV - [9] Characteristics of The Little Horn Daniel 7
OWG8 HV - Who Are The Saints Who Topple The Antichrist?
OWG9 HV - The Revelation, Heads, Horns and Crowns
OWG10 HV - The Ten Horned Beast of Rev 13
OWG11 HV - The Harlot Astride The Beast Rev 17
OWG12 HV - The Fall of Babylon Rev 18
GBY (God Bless Ya) Yours Adrian DEACON
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