Thursday, 10 December 2015

Iniquity Of The Fathers Upon The Sons To The Third And Fourth Generation


Iniquity Of The Fathers Upon The Sons To The Third And Fourth Generation

Published 20151211 -:- Revised 20250829
NB: I am dyslexic so please bear with me. Even if I did a ‘spell cheque it dose’ not help me with corrections.



Introduction
Have you ever been to a healing or prayer meeting? If so have you ever noticed that in the course of the preaching leading up to the alter call, the speaker might add in some comment about, “the curses of the fathers to the third and forth generation”. Then heaps of people will come out to the front for prayer, because they feel guilty for what their parents, grand parents or great grand parents have done in the past! That is totally unscriptural! And God would love to set you free of that “gilt trip” if you would just give Him and His WORD the opportunity and listen, 

Aim
My aim is to shed the light of the WORD of God on the erroneous teaching about, “the curses to the third and forth generation”.

Reason
The WORD of God clearly states that, you and you alone, are responsible for your sins only. You do not have to “pay interest” so to speak for the backlog of the sins of your forbears. Anything taught other wise is lying teaching! It is nothing more than a stage show, divisive move to boost alter call numbers, and give the appearance that, “the guest speaker can really get them in!” The truth about this lying teaching should be shouted from the rooftops!

References & Equipment
MKJ       =Bible references are from the Modern King James Bible unless noted otherwise.
CN          =e-Sword Commentary Notes by “NAME” on Bible Ref “BOOK CH: verse” e.g. [ref CN Clark on Dan 7:7].
What Scriptures is This Teaching Based On?
There are four scriptures that give reference to this issue of generational curses. Exodus 20:5, Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18 and Deuteronomy 5:9. As usual it is always best to study scriptures on the bases of ‘first mention’. Basically the first time God mentions a particular subject, He spells out the full story. Any following reference is often abbreviated and the inference is that God is just giving us a reminder.  It’s like when we tell our kids, “Put your toys away”. You don’t need to go into detail adding the rest of the house rule comments like,
“Or they will get lost in the grass and could get rained on, and if I don’t see them when I am mowing the lawn they will get bracken!”

So lets check these scriptures in order and see if there are any differences and under line the difference.

Exo 20:5 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me,
Exo 34:7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the sons, and on the sons of sons, to the third and to the fourth generation.

Num 14:18 Jehovah is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation.
Deu 5:9 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me,

Of those who hate Me”… well that’s an interesting comment that is often conveniently left out when people make reference to generational curses. Let me ask you a simple question. “Do you HAT GOD?” NO! Then obviously that scripture does not apply to you? It sort of comes under the category of knowing your relationship with God through Christ Jesus. Rom 13:12 “…let us put on the armour of light.” And Eph 6:11 “Put on the whole armour of God so that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” If you let your guard down and believe a lie from Satan that you are under generational curses, then he gets in under your armour and has a field day with self worth. Suddenly you are on a downward spiralling guilt trip.
Debunking Generational Curses
For years, whenever I heard preaching about the “generational curses” I often felt like I would get an agree whiteness in my spirit. When we got home from church my wife would tell me, “Drop it, its just one of your pet hats, it’s not an important issue. GET Over It!” So over the years ‘I got over it’ and I would say nothing. Until years later when one day we came home from church and my wife was all agitated about what was preached at church, and she asked me, “What was the scripture you had against curses to the third and forth generation stuff?” To which I replied, “The fathers eat sour grapes and the children’s teeth are on edge”. “And it seems to debunk the whole idea of generational curses.” So we got motivated into a full Sunday afternoon study for some hours. And we found the following passages of great interest.

The first one in Ezekiel is quite lengthy! But when you consider God is telling Ezekiel that He is fed up with hearing that misleading proverb as well; then He tells Ezekiel in no uncertain terms what to do with that proverb! I will just quote it as is, it needs NO explanation. 
Ezekiel Chapter 18 (English Standard Version)
Eze 18:1 The word of the LORD came to me: v:2  "What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? v:3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. v:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Eze 18:5 "If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— v:6 if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbour’s wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, v:7 does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, v:8  does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, v:9 walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord GOD.

Eze 18:10 "If he fathers a son who is violent, a shedder of blood, who does any of these things v:11 (though he himself did none of these things), who even eats upon the mountains, defiles his neighbour’s wife, v:12 oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore the pledge, lifts up his eyes to the idols, commits abomination, v:13 lends at interest, and takes profit; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.

Eze 18:14 "Now suppose this man fathers a son who sees all the sins that his father has done; he sees, and does not do likewise: v:15 he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbour’s wife, v:16 does not oppress anyone, exacts no pledge, commits no robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, v:17 withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.

Eze 18:18 As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother, and did what is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity. v:19 Yet you say, 'Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?' When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. v:20 he soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Eze 18:21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. v:22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. v:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

Eze 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. v:25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? v:26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.

Eze 18:27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. v:28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Eze 18:29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? v:30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. v:31 Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel?

Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live." … End Quote

That as I said is quite a lengthy passage and I reckon that is quite clear-cut! God give Ezekiel some classic examples of generational problems. These days we would hear these same things being raised as a good case for why a Christian is under a generational curse! Yet in this passage God is clearly saying that each soul is only responsible for their own actions. The sins of their forbears are of no importance. You yourself have made a decision for Christ and confessed Christ as your Lord and saviour. As Paul said in 1 Corinthians chapters 6 and 7, “You are bought with a price”. That is the blood of Christ paid for your sins IN FULL! You are a NEW CREATION! 

The only way you could see the fulfilment of generational curses is if each successive generation continues to reject God.
You Are A NEW CREATION
When my wife and I were doing the study on this topic, the Lord reminded us of numerous other scriptures. Passages that very clearly show, that when we invite Christ into our heart and soul, He virtually does a complete renovation with in us. We are A NEW CREATION! Lets just quote them as we found them on the basis of “catch phrases”. I might and a short comment as to why I find each passage of significance.

Jas 5:15 “And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.”
Born Again
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.

1Pe 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living Word of God, and abiding forever.

1Co 1:30 (JUB) But of him ye are reborn in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
New Creation
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. v:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.

Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;

Eph 4:24 And you should put on the new man, who according to God was created in righteousness and true holiness.

2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. v:18 And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; v:19 whereas God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us. v:20 Then we are ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as God exhorting through us, we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. v:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Paul Spoke As If He Was A NEW MAN
This verse is very interesting. Remember Paul in Acts 9:1 “And Saul, still breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest v:2 and asked letters from him to Damascus to the synagogues; so that if he found any of the Way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.”

Then Paul later writes to the Corinthians and says this in 2Co 7:2 (KJV) “Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man”. How can Paul say, “he has wronged ON man?” The reason being is that on the road to Damascus Saul DIED, and he was renamed PAUL, and Paul was a NEW MAN in Christ! And Paul, being a New Man, had wronged no man!
Christ Paid It ALL
Isa 53:5  But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed. v:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

Zec_3:9  For behold! I will bring forth My Servant the Branch. For behold the stone that I have set before Joshua: On one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its engraving, says Jehovah of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. [ref CN Gill on Zec 3:9]

Your Sins Are Completely Gone From Record
Psa 103:11 For as the heavens are high above the earth, so is His mercy toward those who fear Him. v:12  As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Heb 10:15  The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us; for after He had said before, v:16  "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord; I will put My Laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them," v:17  also He adds, "their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."

Heb 8:10  "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. v:11 And they shall not each man teach his neighbour, and each man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest. v:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."
Conclusion
Ezekiel 18 is so clearly telling us that we are each an individual before God. You have only yourself to blame for your separation from the love of God. What ever your parents, grand parents, great grand parents or even great great grand parents have done in the past, it has no bearing on your relationship with God. When you accept Christ as your Lord and saviour your sins are ‘Wiped OFF the Slate’. It is as if you have never sinned! God in His word says "their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."

So if some visiting preacher reminds you of your wicked past! Or raises the possibility of unrepented sins of your forbears! Then tries to put you on a gilt trip, he has no right to do that! What’s more it is an insult to God; because you are virtually saying, “God I don’t believe that You have forgiven me of my sins!” The devil is putting you under his thump, and throwing lies at you! He has done that for thousands of years.

You are a New Creation, a joint-heir with Christ, so live like!  

God bless Ya!
Yours Adrian Deacon

Sunday, 8 November 2015

CHURCH HISTORY Part 3 -:- [Who Were The Reformers]


CHURCH HISTORY Part 3  -:-  [Who Were The Reformers]

Published 20151109 -:- Revised 20250829

NB: I am dyslexic so please bear with me. Bible references are from MKJV unless noted otherwise.


AIM ---  The aim of this talk is to 1- pinpoint the start of the Reformation and, 2- list some of the Reformers and their teaching.
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REASON ---          Many of these reformers died horrendous deaths “running the race” to pass on to us the baton of Protestantism. So it is vitally important that from generation to generation we check that we still hold that same baton with integrity.


REFERENCES & EQUIPMENT ---
MKJ=     Bible references are from the Modern King James Bible unless noted otherwise.
WH=      Classic Time line of World History by Sebastian Adam [based on Ussher’s ‘Annals of the World’] (9m wall chart)
HYY=     History Year by Year (by Dorling Kindersley Ltd)
GPF=      Great People of Faith and Wisdom (by Readers Digest)
HCC=     History of The Christian Church (by Philip Schaff) via e-Sword 1882 Edition
FBM=     Fox’s Book of Martyrs – via e-Sword
WP=       Wikipedia
CN=        e-Sword Commentary Notes by “NAME” on Bible Ref “BOOK CH: Vrs” e.g. [ref CN Clark on Dan 7:7].
EN=        Microsoft Encyclopaedia Encarta 2006. with reference word to be used, e.g. [ref EN i.e. Protestantism]
EB=         Encyclopædia Britannica 1999 Edition
NA=       New Advent. Catholic Encyclopaedia with reference word to be used, e.g. [ref NA i.e. Jesuits, The]

TV=        Television for Slide presentations.

DISCLAIMER -- Clearly I don’t want to upset anyone’s faith or beliefs. That’s why most of this work is made up of “quotations” from reputable articles you can source to verify. HCC is in old ‘1880’ English so direct quotes are somewhat hard to understand. To change it too much would make it harder to find the references. If a reference is underlined you can use that exact wording to find the original article.

REVISION   
I might at times make reference to prophecies. This is for the benefit of those who understand the historic viewpoint.

In the first lesson we covered the following points:-
Apostles took the gospel beyond the Roman world. By the 200’s the gospel was in northern Europe, Norway and China.
The Roman persecutions. In 313, Emperor Constantine became Christian, gave tolerance to All Forms of worship legalizing Christianity.
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367 The idolatrous false worship of Mary, martyrs and saints idolatry and relics, all these were an integral part of the Church.
380 Papal Supremacy “Theodosius's edict..referred to the Bishop of Rome..as a pontifex,” The old title for the High Priest of Rome.
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393 The Canon, the name we give to the 66 books called the bible, how it was determined, who did or didn’t want the Apocrypha.
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The fall of Rome, invaded some 6 times by 754AD, by Arian Christian kings. They feared the Pope, and bowed to his power. 800-1000AD  The Western Roman Empire crumbled. The TEN kingdoms rising up like in Dan 2:34 “iron and clay, partly weak and partly strong.”
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From 400 to 1000AD the pope became more powerful. The pope with help from the Christian kingdoms, destroyed THREE Arian kingdoms in 496 the Visigoths, 534 the Vandals and 790 the Lombards. Dan 7:8 “little horn…. three of the first horns plucked up by the roots”
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612 God’s use of Islam, it rose up from ‘the bottomless pit’ took a third of the Roman World, [Rev ch.9:15]. Creating havoc, destroyed idols and manuscripts; it temporarily cleansed the East Empire of idolatry. As prophesied after 150 years in 762 the Arabs pulled back. [Rev 9:5]

In the second lesson we covered:-
The False Teaching which had risen by the early 700’s. Such as - infallibility, image-worship, celibacy, purgatory, abolition of the Christian Sabbath, transubstantiation, and withholding the cup of communion.
Also some of The Extraordinary Papal Claims from 607 to 1417 eg. “there is no allegiance to Christ without submission to the pope”
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What Started The Reformation  in 1010AD heresy mingled with Christian teachings exploded all over Europe. They were broadly known as the new Manicheans. We also covered may of their objections to the catholic teachings.
Also some Catholic Reformers, Hildegard and her visions and prophecies. Dominic and Francis and the orders that they founded.
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The TURMOIL IN THE EAST, how in 1010 God inspired the Arabs and Turks to take the holy land, this provoked THE CRUSADES. In 1453 Constantinople fell, then Greek scholars took refuge in the west, kindled the reformation…. The lord works in mysterious ways.
The Crusades Against Albibenses from 1163 to 1244. Which ended with millions butchered by the church of Rome.
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The Increase In Knowledge starting with Wiclif’s translations in 1380, 1440 The Printing Press, the freshness of Greek manuscripts from Constantinople, and in 1611 the King James Bible. By then the world had the bible printed in every major language of Europe.
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1478 The Spanish Inquisition, instituted by Pope Sixtus iv. Continued until 1873, and millions of Christians died at the hands of the pope.
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1517 The Reformation Started, 31 October 1517, when “Luther posted the ninety-five theses on the door of the castle church of Wittenberg.
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The Church of Rome - “was driven to a Counter-Reform which abolished some of the most crying abuses and infused new life and zeal into her clergy and laity…thus the two branches of western Christendom seem to hold each other in check,”  [ref HCC vol.7 ch.1:2]

Q & A -----
LESSON  --  CHURCH HISTORY Part 3
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THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION
Now I am NOT asking you to believe this view! But it is vitally important that you understand this interpretation of revelation. Why? Well let me put it this way. We today see World News events eg. Atomic Bomb, Cuba. Cold War, Gulf War, 9/11, Global Warming etc. and we ponder over prophecies and wonder. Well why can’t the early church be allowed to do the same? And so they did, and they saw the Church of Rome as the Beast and the pope as the Antichrist. He fitted all the requirements in scripture. This is what they saw being fulfilled. 

Dan 7:8, The little horn, came up among the other ten, plucked up three other horns by the roots. (the three Arian kingdoms, we covered )
Dan7:25  speak great words against the most High, wear out the saints, change times and laws. (Sunday Sabbath, delete “no graven image”)
2Th_2:4  So that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (the true church is the temple not a building)
Rev 13:1-18.Vs.4 dragon gave power to beast. Vs.5 forty and two months. vs.6 blasphemy God, name, those that dwell in heaven, vs.8 shall worship him, vs.11 two horned beast, vs.16 mark in right hand..foreheads, vs.17 no man might buy or sell, vs.18 six hundred and sixty six

Churches today DO NOT believe this teaching, it’s not taught! It went out of fashion over 60 years ago. You couldn’t teach that view today, because it is “politically incorrect”, “you would be laughed at”, and “called a racist”. Besides no modern reference books teach it, it’s old!
But the Reformers believed it! It’s in all their writings. So I want you to hold that thought while we work through history as they saw it. Ask pastor Daniel Nalliah what’s life like in a Muslim state. Imagine the whole world like that! The reformers lived like that under papal rule. 
Other Bible scholars with this same view are listed here in this quote: -
 “2. The Continuous (or Historical) system: The Apocalypse is a prophetic compend of church history and covers all Christian centuries to the final consummation. It speaks of things past, present, and future; some of its prophecies are fulfilled, some are now being fulfilled, and others await fulfillment in the yet unknown future. Here belong the great majority of orthodox Protestant commentators and polemics who apply the beast and the mystic Babylon and the mother of harlots drunken with the blood of saints to the church of Rome, either exclusively or chiefly. But they differ widely among themselves in chronology and the application of details. Luther, Bullinger, Collado, Pareus, Brightman, Mede, Robert Fleming, Whiston, Vitringa, Bengel, Isaac Newton, Bishop Newton, Faber, Woodhouse, Elliott, Birks, Gaussen, Auberlen, Hengstenberg, Alford, Wordsworth, Lee.” [ref HCC vol.1 ch.12:101]
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A.J. Ferris adds to this lists -- Wyclif, Calvin, Bishop Latimer, Knox, John Foxe, Bunyan, John Wesley, Dr Hudson Taylor, Moody, Bishop J.C.Ryle, Principal R S Candlish, Bishop Barnes USA, Finney, Dr. H G Guinness, Spurgeon, Dr F B Meyer, Dinsdale Young. = 40 names
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Q & A -----

REFORMERS BEFORE THE REFORMATION -- Commence slide show: - [Power Point – CHp3 A]
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From my last talk -- “The title, Reformers before the Reformation, has been aptly given to a group of men of the 14th and 15th centuries who anticipated many of the teachings of Luther and the Protestant Reformers. They stand, each by himself, in solitary prominence, Wyclif in England, John Huss in Bohemia, Savonarola in Florence, and Wessel, Goch and Wesel in Northern Germany.” [ref HCC vol.6 ch.5:40]
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The men from this group and the following group ‘The Reformers’, I would like to discuss each of them only briefly, covering their country of origin, dates and highlights etc. roughly in chronological order. In the middle of this we have the landmark event of Luther and 1517.
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John Wyclif, (1324-1384) – his first debate with the pope 1374 (Wyclif, Wycliffe or Wiclif)???
Born near the village of Wiclif, Yorkshire, England. Called the Morning Star of the Reformation. He died of paralysis, and passed away a few days after, Dec. 29, 1384. 1375 “in his lectures, against the pope--his usurpation--his infallibility--his pride--his avarice-- and his tyranny. He was the first who termed the pope Antichrist.” [ref FBM ch.7]. First translator of the whole Bible into English (1380)
In the 1380s the Lollards arose in England, inspired by the teachings of the theologian John Wycliffe. [ref EN Protestantism]
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John Huss, (1369-1415) -- condemned miracles at Wylsnak 1403
Born at Hussenitz, a village in Bohemia, (now the Czech Republic) about 1369 to 1380.?? Educated at the University of Prague, receiving his MA degree in 1396..lecturer in theology..1401 dean of philosophical faculty. Ordained a priest in 1400, preached his sermons in Czech instead of Latin. [ref EN Huss]. 1403 he spoke against alleged miracles at Wylsnak. [ref HCC vol.6 ch.5:44]. 1408 forbidden to preach, 1409 Alexander V issued a bull condemning teachings of Wycliffe. Huss was teaching Wycliffe's doctrines, was excommunicated in 1410.” [ref EN John Huss]. “Huss pronounced the bulls of Alexander and John XXIII. anti-christian. So he preached in public till, 1415 Saturday, July 6th, Huss was burnt at the stake in Bohemia. Hussitism has a close link with the Bohemian Brethren and the Moravians
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A reminder here 1440 was the invention of The Printing Press
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Girolamo Savonarola, (Jerome) (1452-1498)  --  he upset the pope 1495
Born in Ferrara Sept. 21, 1452, died in Florence May 23, 1498. Italian catholic Dominican friar, he remained loyal to the pope. His preaching was powerful, drew crowds of 12000, and was a prophet.  He was a religious reformer who briefly controlled Florence in the 15th century by establishing a righteous theocratic government along the same lines as Moses governed Israel for 40ys. He criticized the corruption of Pope Alexander VI and was eventually excommunicated. In 1498 Savonarola was declared guilty of heresy, tortured seven days until delirious then hanged and his body burned and the ashes were thrown into the Arno river.” [ref EN] [ref HCC vol.6 ch.9:76]
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Q & A -----

Wesel, Goch and Wessel
“A group of theologians in Northwestern Germany, closely associated by locality and training with the ‘Brothers of the Common Life’ and anticipated the coming age by the doctrinal reforms which they proposed… They were quietly searching after the marks of the true Church and the doctrine of justification by faith in Christ alone.” [ref HCC vol.6 ch.9:75]
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John Wesel (about 1410-1481)  --  Charged with heresy 1479
John Ruchrath von Wesel, born (I guess about 1410) in Oberwesel on the Rhine between Mainz and Coblentz. He taught at University of Erfurt. 1458 was vice-rector. Luther admired him. Later he was cathedral preacher in Mainz and Worms. In 1479 he came before the Inquisition at Mainz. Charged with attacking the hierarchy, indulgences and almost all Roman Catholic tenets. Also that Scriptures alone are a trustworthy source of authority; the names of the predestinate are written in the book of life and cannot be erased by a priestly ban; indulgences do not profit; Christ is not pleased with festivals of fasting, pilgrimages or priestly celibacy; Christ’s body can be in the bread without any change….pope and councils are not to be obeyed if they are out of accord with the Scriptures; he whom God chooses will be saved irrespective of pope and priests, and all who have faith will enjoy as much blessedness as prelates. The doctrines of indulgences and the fund of merit he pronounced unscriptural and pious frauds. The elect are saved wholly through the grace of God. [ref HCC vol.6 ch.9:75]
By now very old lacking strength to stand his ground, he submitted, publicly recanted, his books burnt, gaoled for life. Died 2 yrs later.
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John Goch (1400-1475) – his writings only became public 1522
John Pupper, 1400-1475, usually called John of Goch born in a hamlet on the lower Rhine near Cleves, seems to have been trained in one of the schools of the ‘Brothers of the Common Life’, and then studied in Cologne and perhaps in Paris. He founded a house of Augustinians near Mecheln, remaining at its head till his death. His writings were not published till after the beginning of the Reformation. He anticipated that movement in asserting the supreme authority of the Bible. [ref HCC vol.6 ch.9:75]
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John Wessel, (1420-1489) or Johann, Wessel of Gansfort   -- published his work 1522
born in Groningen 1420, died 1489. he studied Greek and Hebrew, in Heidelberg and in Paris. None of Wessel’s writings were published till after the Reformation. In them he declared that pope and councils may err and he defined the Church to be the communion of the saints. The unity of the Church does not lie in the pope. He laid stress upon the faith of the believer in partaking of the eucharist. The prerogative of the keys belongs to all believers. Plenary indulgences are a detestable invention of the papacy to fill its treasury.Luther wrote the preface to Wessel’s writings 1522. [ref HCC vol.6 ch.9:75]
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1517 THE TWO WITNESSES   First Read Rev 11:1-13.
Now let me try to explain this for you from the historic viewpoint. The Two Witnesses are the gospel and the witness of believers.
Mat_24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness..  Joh_15:27  And you also shall bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. By 1514 Rome had virtually stopped the production of bibles, (the gospels); and killed nearly all heretics, (believers). If you hold to the futurist view, the Two Witnesses and the 3½ days is still yet to come. And it happens before or after, the second or third advent of Christ, depending on how you see “the secret coming” of Christ.
Now Regardless of what view you hold to, I am sure you will all find these events in history very interesting.
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Just recapping, The Spanish Inquisition was instituted in 1478. So it was well under way when the Fifth Lateran Council started 3 May 1512 and ran till 16 Mar 1517. During the eighth session, the council sent out letters and notice to the heretics “to Hungary and Bohemia”: -
1. Granting them “safe-conduct as to their coming, going, remaining .. and afterwards for departing and returning to their own territories”
2. With the dead-line to present their case at the ninth session when the .. “Lateran council shall be held on 5 April 1514
3. For "the purpose..they may recognise the errors to which they have long been .. and may be led back, with God's guidance, to the true practice of religion and into the bosom of holy mother church.” [ref Google “5th Lateran Council” SESSION 8] .. A Catholic web sit.
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The Hungarians and Bohemians didn’t attend. Wise move! And from this time until Luther appeared, there
were no Protestant protests against Rome?
The council concluded saying, “no topics remained for debate and discussion by them, and that over several months nothing at all new had been brought before them by anyone” [ref “5th Lateran Council” SESSION 12]. They had WON!
No more bibles in common language and no believers to preach from them.

The pope was so confident he pre-emptively produced a medal in 1515….à With inscription "LEO X PONT MAX", rev Roma seated to left, holding Victory C-P
“A few years before Luther appeared, a medal was struck to commemorate the extinction of so-called heresy” [ref CN Meyer on Rev 11]. Pope Leo X’s extravagance was legendary; “The pope led the cardinals in the pursuit of pleasure and in extravagance in the use of money.” [ref HCC vol.6 ch.6:56]
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As for Rev 11:9 “shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves”. That seemed to be the norm for the vengeance of the Roman Church.
Wyclif’s bones were dug up and cast into the flames [ref HCC vol.6 ch.10], the corpses of Protestants dug up, burnt, and cast into the river [ref HCC vol.8 ch.4:39], Zwingli’s ashes were mingled with the ashes of swine, and scattered [ref HCC vol.8 ch.5:47], Martin Bucer died “1551. Six years after his death his body was dug up, chained upright to a stake and burned, under Queen Mary” [ref HCC vol.8 ch.11:85]
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Then on 31 October 1517 Luther posted his ninety-five theses on the door of the Castle Church of Wittenberg.
Lets do the maths -- 5 April 1514 to 31 October 1517 = 3 ½ years + 26 days. Now let’s apply the rule  “a day for a year”
Rev 11:11 “And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear ...”
For the Reformers who all believed the Historic view, this clearly placed them historically and prophetically in Revelation chapter 11. And life would soon get better. “there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord,”
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WHO WERE THE REFORMERS

The title ‘The Reformers’ is generally given to those who opposed the papal doctrines from when Luther nailed up his 95 theses in 1517, onward to, in my opinion about 1798 when the Pope was take prisoner by Napoleon’s General Berthier. From the historic view that was the end of the 3 ½ (prophetic years) = 1260 real years. Starting from the ‘Puppet pope in 538 to 1798. (1798 – 538 = 1260 years) [RB 2-26]

 “In great creative epochs of the Church, God associates congenial leaders for mutual help and comfort. In the Reformation of the sixteenth century, we find Luther and Melanchthon in Germany, Zwingli and Oecolampadius, Farel and Viret, Calvin and Beza in Switzerland, Craniner, Latimer, and Ridley in England, Knox and Melville in Scotland, working together with different gifts, but in the same spirit and for the same end. The Methodist revival of the eighteenth century was carried on by the co-operation of the two Wesleys and Whitefield; and the Anglo-Catholic movement of the nineteenth, by the association of Pusey, Newman, and Keble.” [ref HCC vol.7 ch.3:41]
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Martin Luther (1483-1546)   --  his Ninety-Five Theses 1517
Martin Luther was born Nov. 10, 1483, at Eisleben in Prussian Saxony, where he died, Feb. 18, 1546. From a peasant background, 1501 entered University of Erfurt, learnt Latin Greek. Bachelor of Arts, 1505 as Master of Arts, (equal to modern Doctor of Philosophy). July ‘05 was struck by lightning, a friend died beside him. In his early years he had a fear of dying in sin, with no concept of grace. ‘06 becomes an Augustinian monk. ‘07 Ordained priest. ‘10 Travels to Rome and is appalled by its worldliness. ‘12 Becomes Professor of Biblical Theology at Wittenberg University. 1517 Publishes his Ninety-Five Theses attacking papal indulgences. [ref HCC vol.7 ch.2:18/19/20]
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 “He wrote to Spalatin, Feb. 23, 1520, “that the Pope is the Antichrist.” on Oct. 11, wrote to Leo X. that “the papal dignity was fit only for traitors like Judas Iscariot whom God had cast out.”  1520 Luther burnt papal books, he said, “the Pope is God on earth, above all things, heavenly and earthly,..and no one dare ask, What doest thou?”” “Luther attacked the papal power as the very stronghold of Satan.” [ref HCC vol.7 ch.3:43/48]. Rector of University 1520 & 1521 was one of the leaders of humanism. 1521 Condemned by Rome and excommunicated. April at Diet of Worms, placed under the ban of the Emperor. Concealed at Wartburg Castle. Translates the New Testament Greek to German. 1525 Marries Katharina a ex-nun. 1532 Translates the Old Testament. Died in his bed at 63. [ref EN Martin Luther]
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Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560)  --  stepped up for Luther 1521
Born Philipp Schwarzert in Bretten (now in Baden), age 12 changed his surname. Educated at universities of Heidelberg and Tübingen. 1518 chair of Greek at the University of Wittenberg. Was a close associate of Luther, independently arrived at the same conclusion as Luther. 1519 Aug. he wrote “the Scriptures are the supreme rule of faith, and that we must not explain the Scriptures by the Fathers, but explain and judge the Fathers by the Scriptures”. Sept. he wrote “a Catholic Christian could not be required to believe any thing that was not warranted by the Scriptures.” He expressed doubts about transubstantiation and the whole fabric of the mass. [ref HCC vol.7 ch.3:43]
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1521 after Luther's confinement in the castle of Wartburg, he replaced Luther as leader of the Reformation cause at Wittenberg. In 1526 he became professor of theology and was sent with 27 other commissioners to make the constitutions of the reformed Churches of Germany uniform. At the Diet of Augsburg in 1530, Melanchthon presented the Augsburg Confession , consisting of 21 articles of faith that he had drawn up with Luther's advice.  He desired harmony between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism, his views were regarded as heretical by strict Lutherans. [ref EN Melanchthon]
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Huldrych Zwingli (1484–1531)  --  preached against papal teaching 1522
Huldreich or Ulrich Zwingli was born January 1, 1484 at Wildhaus in the county of Toggenburg, Northeastern Switzerland. He taught Latin, degree of master of arts in 1506. Then to get his priesthood “he paid over one hundred guilders to buy off a rival candidate who was favored by the Pope.” Self taught Greek so he might study the New Testament in the original and reviled in it. Later studied Hebrew. His conversion was a gradual intellectual process, rather than sudden. Once he had chosen the Scriptures for his guide, he easily shook off the traditions of Rome. Based in Zürich. Very musical, the papist called him “the evangelical lute-player, piper, and whistler.” [ref HCC vol.8 ch.2:6&7]
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1522 preached against ecclesial corruption, fasting, the requirement of celibacy on the clergy, the veneration of saints, excommunication, and more—setting the stage for the Swiss Reformation. [ref I-net Huldrych Zwingli]. Believed in predestination. Zwingli disagreed with Luther on the Lord’s Supper. For the Swiss it’s a symbolic act, not a literal changing of the substance of the elements. He died in a battle at Cappel, Oct. 9, 1531. His ashes were mingled with the ashes of swine, and scattered. [ref HCC vol.7 ch.7:103] [ref HCC vol.8 ch.5:47]
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Johann Oecolampadius (1482-1531)  --  Cautiously attacked Roman teaching 1521
Johann Oecolampadius born at Weinsberg 1482, studied law in Bologna, philology, scholastic philosophy, and theology in Heidelberg and Tübingen. Associate of Zwingli, ranked second to him in German Switzerland. 1502 Master of Arts. Study Greek and Hebrew Scriptures. 1515 called to Basel to be cardinal, later doctor of divinity. 1518 strongly attacked the custom of the Easter season jokes. Reading Luther’s work, became more evangelical. Cautiously attacked transubstantiationMariolatry, and the abuses of the confessional. Preached Sundays and week days attracting crowds. In 1525 was active in the Eucharistic controversy, defending the figurative interpretation, partly agreed with Zwingli. At Marburg 1529 he was with Zwingli, the chief debater. He took a conservative, intolerant stand against the Anabaptists as did Luther and Zwingli.
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He attacked what he regarded as Romes idolatry of the mass. The Reformation triumph in Berne in 1528 gave the final impetus. 1529 there was a mass anti Roman reaction, destroying any idolatrous material. Christ and the Gospel replaced the Church and tradition. German services, congregational singing, communion substituted for the Latin mass. The council passed laws forbidding Roman worship. Oecolampadius became the superintendent of the clergy of Basel. He opposed the supremacy of the State over the Church. Greatly supported the French Protestant refugees, and the Waldenses. 1528 married, age 45, had three children, named Eusebius, Alitheia, and Irene (Godliness, Truth, Peace). November, 1531, he passed away in peace, and buried behind the Minster. [ref All from HCC vol.8 ch.4:32]
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Guillaume Farel (1489-1565), (William).  --  expelled from France 1523
The pioneer of Protestantism in Western Switzerland, born of French aristocracy in Dauphiné. Strongly influenced by humanism and modernism. 1520 adopted Protestant views, ‘23 expelled from France for his views. At Basel his vigorous attacks on Roman Catholicism soon got him banished. Continued to preach in French-speaking Switzerland, and became known for his courage and fiery eloquence. ‘32 went to Geneva, where his preaching helped formally bring in Protestantism in ‘35. In 1536 He and John Calvin worked together on reforming and standardizing Church practices. Both forced to leave Geneva ‘38. Farel settled in Neuchâtel, persuaded the Genevans to allow Calvin's return ‘41, and he remained one of Calvin's closest advisers. [ref EN Farel].
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A man of faith and fire, bold and fearless, called the Elijah of the French Reformation, and “the scourge of the priests.” An ardent papist, he became as ardent a Protestant. Detested the prevailing corruptions and abuses of Romanism. He hated the pope as the veritable Antichrist, the mass as idolatry, pictures and relics as heathen idols which must be destroyed like the idols of the Canaanites. Age 66 he retuned to Neuchâtel and died peacefully 13 Sept. A monument was erected to him at Neuchâtel, May 4, 1876. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.7:60]
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Peter Viret (1511-1571)  --  preach at Orbe against the pope 1531
The Reformer of Lausanne, the only native Swiss of the pioneers of Protestantism in Western Switzerland. Born, 1511, at Orbe, in the Pays de Vaud, educated for priesthood at Paris. Well educated in classical and theological learning. Like Luther and Farel, he struggled for truth and peace of conscience. Quit Romanism returned to Switzerland. 1531 asked by Farel to preach at Orbe with success and opposition. Worked with Farel and Froment in Geneva. He alone ate of the poisoned dish meant for the three, but recovered. A public disputation was held at Bern Oct.‘36. Viret, Farel, Calvin, Fabri, Marcourt, and Caroli were called to defend the Reformed doctrines. Result was the introduction of the Reformation Nov.’36. He also taught in the academy at Bern ‘40. ‘49 Beza joined him as second professor of theology.
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Five young Frenchmen trained by them, returned to France to preach, were seized at Lyons and burned 16May’53. Viret strongly preached predestination, he was deposed Jan’59, he went to Geneva and was appointed preacher of the city Mar’59. He presided as Moderator over the fourth national Synod of the Huguenots, Aug’63. Accepted call to academy at Orthez, in Bearn ‘66. There, in 1571, he died, the last of the triumvirate of the founders of the Reformed Church in French Switzerland. He was twice married. He was small, sickly, and emaciated, but fervent in spirit. An able and fruitful author with familiarity in classical and theological literature. Among his works were polemical books against the Council of Trent, against the mass and other doctrines of Romanism. [ref HCC vol.8 ch.7:63]
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John Calvin (1509 – 1564) – converted from Catholicism 1532
Born at Noyon in Picardy, July 10, 1509. He studied philosophy in the College of Montaign. [ref FBM ch.13] Later studied Greek and Hebrew, then Law, obtained Bachelor of Laws at Orleans, Feb. 14, 1531. Initially Roman Catholic, he describes his sudden conversion in 1532 like Paul on road to Damascus. He saw the legal truth of scripture and followed the Lord whole heartedly. More a theologian and statesman than a preacher, favorite doctrine predestination.  In 1536 at Geneva “Calvin reformed the Church on social principles, and founded a theocracy on the democratic basis.”[ref HCC vol.8 ch.8:66]. Smilar to that of Savonarola’s government.
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“Calvinists fear God and nothing else. ..God alone is great, man is but a shadow. The fear of God makes them fearless of earthly despots... The fear of God is the basis of moral self-government, and self-government is the basis of true freedom.” Knowing that the ignorance of the Roman priesthood was a source of much superstition and corruption Calvin founded an Academy for the education of the ministry and all people. He died of asthma. The Waldensians, survived violent persecutions, and during the Reformation many adopted Calvinism.
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Theodore Beza (1519-1605)  --  teaching Greek 1549
French theologian, assisted, then succeeded, John Calvin as head of Protestant Reformation in Geneva. Born in Vézelay, Burgundy, on 24June’19. studied law and letters at Orléans, Bourges and Paris. ‘48, recovered from serious illness, he converted to Protestantism then joined Calvin in Geneva. ‘49 began teaching Greek at Lausanne, ‘59 founded the Genevan Academy with Calvin and became its first rector. As Calvin's successor he upheld the reformer's views, emphasizing God's eternal decrees and the centrality of predestination in God’s plan. He preached supralapsarianism, the doctrine that God's determination of the saved and the damned had preceded Adam's fall. [ref all EN]
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Beza contributed two Greek editions 1565, 1582 and an annotated Latin translation (1556) of the New Testament; these texts were used by Protestants for more than a century. Both the Geneva Bible (1560) and the King James Version (1611) were based on Beza's works. ‘81 he gave the University of Cambridge the Codex D or Codex Bezae, a 5th-century manuscript containing Greek and Latin texts of the Gospels and Acts, which he claimed to have discovered in a monastery in Lyon. Also other writings, He died in Geneva on October 13, 1605.
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Thomas Cranmer (or Craniner) (1489-1556)  --  Anne Boleyn issues 1533
Born in Aslacton, Nottinghamshire, 2Jul’89, the son of a village squire. 1526 doctor of divinity from University of Cambridge. ‘29 gained favour of Henry VIII, aiding in annulment of his marriage to Catherine. Shortly thereafter appointed archdeacon of Taunton, made a royal chaplain. 1533 he was involve with the issues regarding Anne Boleyn and so on. Cranmer's policies more than ever identified him with the Reformation in England. He renounced allegiance to the pope, directed erasure of the pope's name from every prayer book, and pronounced the king of England head of the English Church. Greatly aided in the English translation of the Bible by Coverdale introduced in ’35. Lead in revising the creed and liturgy of the Church. ‘38 ordered to desecrate shrine of Thomas à Becket, and abolish many Catholic festivals.
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Tried to secure union of Church of England with Lutheran Church, invited to England many Protestant refugees. 1547 named by Henry as one of the regents of young king Edward VI, continued with Henry's religious reforms. Compiled the two prayer books sanctioned ‘49 and ’52. Wrote most of the 42 articles, or doctrinal statements of the Church of England. At the succession of Catholic (Bloody) Mary Tudor, she re-established papal jurisdiction. he was arrested 14Sep’53 confined to the Tower. Tortured, recanted his beliefs, declaring he believed firmly in the articles of the Roman Catholic Church and his writings were contrary to the word of God. Then was publicly degraded from archbishopric, excommunicated, and condemned to burning at the stake. Just before he died, 21Mar’56, he repudiated all his recantations, and exposed to the flames the right hand that had signed them. [ref EN Cranmer] 
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Hugh Latimer (1485-1555)  --  Anne Boleyn issues 1533
English prelate, reformer, and Protestant martyr, born in Thurcaston, Leicestershire. ordained University of Cambridge, actively supported the Reformation. Supported Henry VIII’s divorce issue,  ‘30 royal chaplain, ’35 bishop of Worcester. ‘39 resigned his see, could not accept Henry's Act of Six Articles, which severely restricted Protestantism. imprisoned, but released on Edward VI accession, restored to favour at court. [ref EN Hugh Latimer] The reign of the bloody Queen Mary (1553-1558) was fearful, but sealed the doom of popery by the blood of Protestants, including Cranmer, Latimer, and Ridley, who were burnt in the market place at Oxford. [7-1-12
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Aged 67 weakened by injury from a fallen tree, every morning he rose at 2 am to studies. Summoned to London he patiently bore all the mocks and taunts by the papists. Cast into the Tower, being assisted by the grace of Christ, sustained a long time, with cruel and unmerciful handling he showed himself patient and cheerful; even to laugh to scorn the doings of his enemies. He prayed he might stand faithful to his doctrine, God to restore his Gospel to England, and preserve the Lady Elizabeth to be queen; all of which happened. At the stake, raised his eyes to heaven saying, "God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able." [ref FBM ch.16 pt.2]
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Nicholas Ridley (1500-1555)  --  was pro Reformation 1537
English Protestant prelate, reformer, and martyr, born near Willimoteswyke, Northumberland, educated University of Cambridge also at universities of Paris and Louvain. Returned to be chaplain at Cambridge. ‘37 was pro Reformation, chaplain to Cranmer, then archbishop of Canterbury, later ’41 chaplain to Henry VIII. Under Edward VI he rose to prominence, renounced transubstantiation. ‘47 bishop of Rochester. he helped Cranmer on Book of Common Prayer, the 39 Articles , appointed to establish Protestantism in University of Cambridge. ‘50 bishop of London. After Edward, Ridley and Cranmer supported Lady Jane Grey as successor, pronounced Mary and Elizabeth, illegitimate. Under Mary, he went to the Tower, ‘54, refused to recant, was declared heretic, excommunicated, tried  ‘55 he and Latimer burned at the stake. His writings were published 1841. [ref EN Ridley]
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Dr. Ridley was first in part converted by reading Bertram's book on the Sacrament, and by his conferences with archbishop Cranmer and Peter Martyr. Kind to Catholics, erect and well proportioned; forgiving; in self-mortification severe. His daily routine was private morning prayer in his study till 10 am, then daily prayer in his house. After Dinner sat an hour, conversing pleasantly, or playing at chess. Then study unless business or visits occurred; about 5 pm prayers; then chess for about an hour, then to his study till 11pm, in pray on his knees. In brief he was a pattern of godliness and virtue. To his sermons the people resorted, swarming about him like bees. [ref FBM ch.16 pt.2]
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John Knox (1513-1572)  --  fled when Bloody Mary became queen 1553
Scottish reformer, founder of Presbyterianism in Scotland. Born in Haddington, educated at University of Glasgow. Originally a Roman Catholic priest. ‘43 became Protestant under Wishart, who was executed for heresy in St Andrews  ‘46. Knox preached in his place. He was captured by French  ‘47, spent 18 mths. galleys. Edward VI gained his release, he joined Church of England, ‘51 became royal chaplain. Bloody Mary became queen ‘53, Knox fled to Geneva till ‘59, met John Calvin. Visited Scotland  ‘55 and began writing to Protestant nobles of Scotland. Wrote his treatise ‘58 directed against Catholic regent Mary of Guise. Returned to Scotland ’59 aided Protestant revolt against regency. Knox induced Elizabeth I to intervene. Mary of Guise murdered, French withdraw. Protestant’s then gained Scottish government.
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On 17Aug‘60, the Protestant reformers' Confession of Faith, written chiefly by Knox, was adopted. It remained the authorized Scottish creed for 200 years. He introduced the strict codes of Calvinism, different in that he preached the idea of the “Elect” to the peasant masses. The return of Catholic Mary, queen of Scots ’61 “opened old wounds”. Knox sermons violently opposed Mary, later she fled to England. The acts of 1560 in favour of the reformed religion were ratified by the Scottish parliament. Knox's influence remained a formidable force, He preached powerfully at coronation of James VI ’67 and at the opening of the Scottish parliament. ‘72 he retired to St Andrews after a stroke and died 24Nov 1572. Presbyterianism was a symbol of Scottish nationalism struggle against Catholic monarchs [ref EN John Knox]
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Andrew Melville (1545-1622)  --  had to leave Scotland 1584
Born near Montrose in 1545. Before him Reformers were concerned with how people were saved and correct worship of God. He said church must be organised as in the New Testament, and should be Presbyterian. Government should not control the church. Melville went to university in St Andrews then to Geneva to study the Bible and teach Latin. Returned ‘74 as principal of University of Glasgow. At the General Assembly spoke against the ‘Tulchan’ bishops, as had Knox. “No such thing in the Bible as a bishop with power over ministers. In the Bible, ‘bishop’ was just another name for minister.” ‘78 as Moderator of the General Assembly which accepted the Second Book of Discipline, setting out Presbyterianism as the church method. ’81 Confession against Catholicism signed by the king and all in Scotland,
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’84 He refused to accept the government judgements on his preaching. Exclaimed “he is the messenger of a King ‘far above them’. So had to leave Scotland. Parliament passed the Black Acts against Presbyterianism, ’92 the Golden Act, it was a big improvement. ‘96 Melville’s famous speech to the king “there are two kings and two kingdoms in Scotland. As well as king James there is Christ Jesus, the King of the Church, whose subject James the Sixth is, and of whose kingdom he is not a king, nor a lord, nor a head, but a member.” 1606 Melville charged The Archbishop of Canterbury with breach of the Lord’s-day…upholding Antichristian hierarchy and Popish ceremonies etc. He was put in the Tower. ‘11 was released so he could teach the Bible to Protestants in France. Never allowed to return to Scotland. ‘18 James brought in ‘The Five Articles of Perth’, which enforced Roman Catholic worship practices. Melville died in France in 1622 [net Melville]

CONCLUSION
I have by no means covered all the Reformers. None of these men were ‘quiet achiever’. They had fire in their belly and a heart for God and His Word. From 1517 there was definitely a change. “a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet… and their enemies watched them.” We can discuss in a later lesson these men listed in more detail and/or others who stood up for the Gospel.
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In my next lesson I hope to cover parallel events like; the formation of the Jesuits, the Futurist interpretation, England’s break from papal rule, the development of various church denominations like the Anglican, Methodists, Apostolic, Quakers and more.
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That was a lot to digest. I think a cuppa to wash it down is in order. And I will happily answer any questions.

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